Prelude to South Africa 2010: the 2009 Confederation Cup

Well, that piece of moldering, festering, stinking feces should hopefully serve notice to the powers that be that the United States of America has a really poor national team. Much as I grow weary of the comparisons endlessly made by Lalas and Harkes to the golden days of yore (when they happened to be on the field; to hear them talk about it, we must have won two or three really important tournaments back then!), I have to agree with them that this team lacks character and characters. With very few exceptions, this group of players simply plays, without much passion, without much energy, and without much dedication to their jobs. I think that’s why Frankie Hejduk stands out so much, despite his definite deficiencies: he actually plays with energy, passion and dedication.

Connor Casey is an excellent example. He had some good chances in the second half. He combined neatly with Altidore on a one-two early on to create on of our few chances. He was generally involved in play around the opposing third, and he did at times track back to help provide outlets for the midfielders and fullbacks when they had obtained the ball in our defensive third. Having said that, he’s totally listless when he’s not directly involved in the play of the game. He jogs around, paying little attention to what is going on. He made ZERO effort to disrupt the interpassing of the Brazilian fullbacks, and applied nothing that could be considered “high pressure” as Brazil organized its attacks from the back. He has no passion, little energy, and zero dedication. It’s like he figures he’s on the field for one purpose only: to get involved in attacks.

He SUCKS. (That’s the very precise soccer term for his play) :mad:

Now, not everyone falls into that category. Landon Donovan is a very energetic, working forward/center mid. Of course, he’s long since become absent from our scorelines (except when the letters PK show up next to his name). But he is often involved in our most potent buildups and he seems not to mind where he has to go to fit into the strategic scheme of a game (left, center, right, top, mid, deep, it doesn’t matter to him). For my money, Benny Feilhaber shows much of these characteristics also, and you will notice he’s one of the few who actually reacted to missing the goal (when he struck the underside of the crossbar and had it come back out into play). All too often our players act like a missed chance is no big deal, so it’s nice to see if they get pissed at a miss. And I suppose Jonathan Spector isn’t too bad; he at least attempted to get back on that breakaway goal and was the player who forced the pass off to the wide-open Robinho.

Beyond that, we got NOTHING. A bunch of robotic, passionless, unenergetic spoiled brats who don’t seem to care about what happens when they play. That second goal demonstrated EVERYTHING that is wrong with our game. Lackadaisical play from Beasley, who lets the short corner go entirely under his foot, and then instead of hustling back to cover, simply grimaces and watches. Failure to challenge with a tackle when the ball is pushed up to midfield by the Brazilian defense. Failure of anyone other than Spector to flat out RUN back to cover on the breakaway. We are the United States; do you really mean to say that we don’t have the speed on the field to track back and cover a breakaway??? And then to top it off, our goalkeeper doesn’t come out and make it at all difficult for Robinho, who is for my money one of the most over-hyped players on the Brazilian squad (notice he’s been damn near invisible this tournament).

Compare Brazil’s effort. Mind you, this is a team which pushes it’s outside fullbacks up into the attack on a regular basis. You are as likely to see someone like Maicon or Santos taking the shot (note, not just providing a cross, but actually SHOOTING) as you are one of the forwards or center mids. And how many effective breakaways did we manage? None. Why? Because the rest of the team knows how to cover when their backs are up in the box. Because when they need to, they RUN to get back. And when all else fails, they make sure to tackle the outlet player with a foul if need be, to make sure the counter gets stopped. They will gladly take a yellow for it, if need be.

Yes, ok, so that’s Brazil, one of the best in the world. But dammit, the US used to do the same damn things. We used to get upset because what the US lacked wasn’t spirit, passion, energy, but rather talent. They had horrible first touches, lousy execution, etc., because they were naifs, not born and bred to play. That aspect of our game has definitely improved; most of the US players are capable enough with the ball on their foot. But now we have a team that mails in their results all too often.

For me, that’s the fault of the coach. I know for a fact that Bruce Arena would never have stood for that kind of effort. You don’t see it from the Iraqis, for goodness sake, under Bora. The Egyptians put up a much better display their second half (admittedly, theirs wasn’t impacted by a red card). But by the time we got our red card, the Egyptians had already levelled their game, scoring twice. So, to me, it’s a coaching issue. And I never see Bob Bradley impassioned about anything on the field. He just stares at it, impassively. :rolleyes:

I was never on the “fire Bob” bandwagon. I am now. The Beasely start is inexcusable since he hasn’t been a good player for years. This team need a boot in their ass, not a dispassionate stare.

Beasely and Kljestan are totally out of their depths at this level. Altidore is not ready yet. He’s got as much promise as anybody on the team, but he needs a first touch and a strike partner. Dempsey needs for somebody to call him a petulant pussy. Michael Bradley need to be consistent, but he totally can play against these guys. I’m not worried about our center backs.

I want Kljestan, Clark, Beasely, and the coach gone. Adu’s one of the few people that can trap, pass, and dribble under pressure. Either he or Feilhaber need to be in the middle of the park, Donovan can stay out wide. Jermaine Jones is a fiery guy right? I don’t know about him stepping in, not speaking much English, and trying to get the team to give a damn, but somebody needs to.

What a fantastic Egyptian goal!! Italy being shown how a REAL team plays. Let’s hope they manage the win. Then we are still in it, mathematically. :stuck_out_tongue:

The USNT has lacked the passion for play since, well, as long as I remember watching them, which was the '94 WC. It’s become worse over time, which seems to go against my thoughts that Americans playing in better leagues internationally would get some exposure to how better football was played, and bring that back home. I have a feeling that this may have had the opposite effect- players thinking that since they made the leap to international play, then they can come back and slack for the national team, since they don’t have to prove themselves anymore.

Landon Donovan continues to be possibly the most overrated player in US football history. Yes, his work rate is undeniable, but his skills are average on an international scale, and the reliance on the USNT on him for creating chances hampers the whole team. Of course, there are few options aside from him.

DeMarcus Beasley was one foot in the grave a few years ago playing for Man City, he should not be on the pitch.

Howard should have come out for the free kick to at least attempt a punch away, and did nothing to help himself on the Robinho goal. He was most likely dead from the start of that break, considering the American tracking back was absent, but that was weak.

Credit to Brazil though, the final goal was sublime.

Totally off topic, but a question for folks watching on ESPN.

What the is with that one Adidas commercial about the soccer player? “His feet taste like timber in a crackling fire” What the hell does that mean?

One of the reasons we had such good teams in the 90s was because of the poached players we started: Earnie Stewart, Tab Ramos, Thomas Dooley, Hugo Perez, Roy Wegerle. They knew how to play “real” soccer, having grown up in systems based in soccer-friendly countries. I’d love to see our newest poached player doing the same for us (especially after watching the poached USA player Giuseppi Rossi beat us up).

Give us a coach who can fire us up. Let’s recruit Martin O’Neill. :smiley:

FABULOUS RESULT!!! Well done, Egypt. :slight_smile:

Wow! Looks like Egypt is for real :eek:

Must say I’m not overly surprised though. It’s the Italian “tradition” to suffer till the last second and then somehow scrape bye. But what’s even better this time is that even Brazil, though already through, has something to play for – avoiding Spain in the semis should that group hold true to form. Still, I hope they don’t play my club’s new toy, Kaka, the most expensive transfer ever…for all of two days. OTOH, I also hope they throw Divebinho to the Azzuri wolves. As for Egypt/USA, que sera sera. May the best teams get through.

Can’t comment on the match proper as I was watching the U-21 England/Spain, which England won 2-0 fair and square what with our GK being our best man…congrats RNATB!

Hmm…I know what I’m having for dessert 2nite. Watching the replay of the Italy/Egypt match. Sweet! :stuck_out_tongue:


BTW, what’s up with the replay thingie? Blatter just said after the Italy/Egypt controversy that it’s certainly not being used and yet the ref in the US/BRA match went straight to the 4th official and not his assistants prior to ejecting Kljestan. :confused:

Then again why would FIFA want to get their sh*t together after all these years.

How is it that Brazil are already through? If Italy defeat Brazil and Egypt beat USA, then won’t they all be on 6 points and it comes down to goal difference?

Good GOD what a waste of time that was. On the upside I got to watch Egypt beat Italy and, suddenly, the Pharaohs are my second favorite - particularly as supporting the US is a complete and utter waste of time. Do I sound bitter and pissed off? Good, cos I am. They looked like 10 year olds. When I win the lottery I’m giving it all to Hiddink on the condition he come over and manage. :mad:

Technically, yes.

However: Brazil are +4, Italy are +1, and Egypt are 0. So even if Italy beats Brazil, and Egypt beats the US, Italy would have to beat Brazil by at least +3, and Egypt would have to beat the US by +4 before they went to whatever the next tiebreaker is (probably goals scored). Effectively, Brazil are through.

I can’t say exactly what went on there, but I did not see that the referee went to the 4th official right away. He might have consulted with the 4th to make sure who the American player was who took out the Brazilian, since as you will recall, he let the Brazilians play on: they developed a nice scoring chance despite the tackle and almost tallied on the play.

That’s totally different from asking the 4th official if he has seen the replay on the big screen. They apparently took any television monitors totally away from the field of play to be certain no one can claim the 4th official looked at the play on a monitor, but that doesn’t mean the stadium’s big screen didn’t show it.

As for the Egyptian red card, I was saying all along that the referee probably consulted with his backside assistant, who would have had a clear view of the handling, while the assistant tasked with watching for offside would have been blocked. No need for the 4th official to be asked anything other than for confirmation of what, if anything, he had seen. That’s FIFA’s official explanation, btw.

Or Possibly Torres. But trap/pass/dribble under pressure doesn’t seem to be a high priority for Bob.

Ok, so Brazil are PROBABLY through to the next round. ESPN have been saying it as if it were a done deal. And the USA are probably eliminated, although, bizarrely enough, there is even a scenario where they would make the semi-finals:

source USMNT Blog

Long day yesterday, ShibbOleth, apologies. Should have qualified that. But basically what DS said. Obviously there a myriad of scenarios possible, but realistically Brazil comes through in almost all of them. A possibly nightmarish one for Italy would be beating La Canarinha by one, but failing to go through due to a +2 or more margin of victory by Egypt over the US (but they’d need a +5 to overcome Brazil; rather unlikely).

Anyway, yes, everything is still theoretically up in the air. But not, not doing a spreadsheet. :wink:


DS, thanks. Since I’m waiting on my new Dish card (my cable system, oddly, is not carrying any feeds), I’ve been streaming and not recording, so I am going with my faulty memory. I do remember it being a play-on situation, but I thought I recalled the ref making a beeline to the fourth official after the play. Guess my problem with FIFA’s explanation is the question of the fourth official’s access to video…or even audio. Normally they are only consulted about matters concerning sideline behavior.

I did see the referee head to the 4th official, but that was later in the sequence of events, after he had shown the card. But here in the States, they totally missed the feed of the referee showing the card in the first place, which means the world feed missed it, since ESPN goes off the world feed using commentators in studios in LA. And FIFA have stressed using the 4th official in many situations involving game management. ESPN made a point of stating that FIFA had seen to it that the 4th official didn’t have access to monitors, to quell possible claims of “video” help.

Now, of course, the question for tomorrow is what selection the Spanish send out. Obviously, the Iraqis are hoping that the selection is a strong one; but if Spain decide to rest Torres and other top stars, South Africa could always steal a point, ending the Iraqi drive to go through. I hope South Africa go through, not just because it would make the tournament more fun for the hosts, but because I think they play a more interesting football than the Iraqis.

DS, fair enough. Just hope the issue is laid by the wayside come the next rounds. Faint odor coming off of it. But maybe it’s just me.

BTW, we are resting both Torres and Villa – Llorente and Güiza have the nod as do the rest of the subs…such as some are. However, that does not mean we won’t be playing all-out I assure you. The team and coach might not say it outright, but believe me, those two world tying and beating streaks respectively, do matter more than just a bit. As does the obvious fact of winning the group outright.

Güiza y Llorente darán respiro a Villa y Torres También jugarán el sábado Reina, Busquets y Arbeloa

Don’t want to ruin the Americans hopes…but come on! Other than the last line which is obviously true in terms of who goes through from the other three, the rest is statistical pipe dreaming. Come on! A seven goal swing between these teams? Really?

To be fair, these are some of the comments by US fans about the above post:

“Give me a break. Never going to happen.”

“Sure, I guess they have a role. Cannon fodder for Egypt. Especially now that they have something to play for.”

“Woww.”

"A three goal victory against Egypt? Not in this tournament.

Also… when is the last time Italia gave up 4 goals with an A team…probably 1925.

Time for deep reflection."

“I guess even group doormat is still a role, woohoo!!!”

“HA HA!! Alive just enough for Egypt to rip through the horrible ‘tactics’ of Mr. Bob Bradley.”

“Unfortunately it will be Egypt beating us by 3 goals or more.”

“I want a damn press conference from Bob. He needs to address the criticisms from the whole of the American soccer supporters. He knows he made a terrible mistake today.”

“Will anything change if Egypt beats us too?”

“this is the worst possible situation. it would be better if we were already eliminated simply because bradley would probably let adu and torres play togeter. now we’ll get more ineffective play from our regulars.”

That’s the first ten or so entries. Bear in mind, the Blog is written by the US MNT communication arm and sponsored by US Soccer. So don’t expect much negativity there.

Okay, I didn’t go to the actual site Shibb*. Glad to see American fans are not as gullible as that.

*If I may?