If you did a survey of where Americans think GWB grew up, and your survey found that a majority of Americans think he’s from the East Coast and not from Texas, I’d be astonished. I mean, where would you get the money to do a survey?
Daniel
Given above.
The lack of support from anyone but Blair - and “don’t forget Poland”. Not everyone, but close. Come on now.
And makes the case for which you demand a cite.
Have you always been so cynical? Can you think of no case where any politician has ever acted in the public interest?
Even Bush was a passenger on the flight. You know damn well what point you’re trying to dismiss.
He flew away from it, whatever the reasons.
After finishing reading the book to the schoolchildren, that is.
Is it that time of the month again?
No leap of faith is required and we cannot eliminate #2. I came to a totally different conclusion before this all blew up without any leaps, based on the actual words in her post.
When I read it I saw Veb post a statement in the future tense indicating that she did not want to see you whining about misbehavior, placing the word trolling in ironic quotation marks because she was sure you would not actually use the word in your (hoped to be avoided) complaint. The word trolling was set in ironic quotes to indicate that it was not the word trolling but the category of troll-like accusations that she did not want see posted. This is not an unusual formulation for Veb, who has used the same technique when describing posters’ actions as in fun and Dan Rather earning his early credibility:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6393595&postcount=66
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6351355&postcount=14
Since you had reported a post using the word trolling, I certainly see how you arrived at your conclusion. Obviously, based on the testimony of other posters, there was more latitude for interpretation than I expected, as well. However, your attempt to eliminate the second option does not hold. I genuinely read that post the way I have described it. (Note, that as a Mod in a different Forum, I received no report and had no knowledge that the thread had been reported until you posted.)
For the record, again, it wasn’t merely a report that used the word trolling. It was a report that consisted of one and only one word and no other — it said, simply, “Trolling”. If you can show me any reason whatsoever, based on empirical history, that I might need a preemptive notice about pubicly suggesting that someone is trolling, I’d like to see it. I have never said it, hinted at it, suggested it, couched it in other terms, or anything of the kind. Never. Not once. Why should I have been warned not to do in the future what I have not done in six years? If you are going to invoke Veb’s history for context, then mine is relevant too.
Yep, born in the modest, rural gated community of Midland…
Midland is for Bushes, the “help” live in Odessa. If God ever gives the US an enema, the nozzle will enter through Texas, and the point of insertion will be Odessa. Amongst the small collection of recovering Texans I know, we have a tag line when confronted with ghastly circumstance: “Well, that sucks, but at least you ain’t living in Odessa!”
All hat, no cattle.
Oh for Pity’s sake, John Mace, GWB was born in Connecticut, educated entirely in New England, and there’s no natural reason he would like Texas better, other than that (a) he’s a lizard, as David Ickes contends, or (b) these Texas guys keep giving him money! For no good reason, other than that he’s either obviously the second coming of Christ or he’s a brain-dead but well-connected good-old-boy from Texas, where it still doesn’t matter whose back seat you were conceived in as long as it’s upholstered in money. ** Left Hand**, I have no idea what you’re talking about, unless you want to want to collaborate on a needless survey. Many, perhaps most, Americans think Bush is a Texan. He’s not, but he wouldn’t be any better an example of the species even if he was. Texashood isn’t a recommendation, exactly, for most of us. Sorry.
To be governor of the state of Texas, one must be a Texan. The current President of the United States of America has held the office of Governor of Texas. Therefore, the man is a Texan.
So, there must be an “unnatural” reason then? Tell us all about it. Look, you claimed Bush had no roots in Texas, which is demonstrably false. If you care to refute any of the facts I listed, please do so. I was born and educated in New England and have roots there. But I’ve lived in CA now for many years and if anyone asks me where I’m from there is no doubt about my answer-- California. That’s where my roots are now, and they grow deeper here while the ones in New England wither. I suspect Bush is in a similar position.
Oh, Monty, I never said the man wasn’t an admitted Texan. I just said he was a worthless piece of shit: there’s no contradiction there, and the logic holds. Okay? As far as I’m concerned, anybody you want can be a Texan, as long as they don’t mind and they fail to meet a few minimum requirements.
Do not lie to me.
Perhaps lie is a too strong word. This would be a better way of putting it:
Do not pretend that you didn’t intimate what you actually did intimate.
Sorry. My first sentence, about the results of the survey, were my oblique way of saying the more direct:
“I think Bush vacations in Texas in part because most Americans consider this his home-state, and therefore view his trips back to Texas as a Plain Guy Going Back to His Cowboy Roots.”
In other words, I think it’s a positive PR move for him, despite the fact that he may have grown up in Connecticut (a fact of which most Americans are unaware, and a fact that therefore doesn’t play into the PR side of the decision of where to vacation). I think that might be a plausible explanation of why he goes to Texas.
The second bit, about having the money for a survey, was just a lame joke.
Daniel
I was the one who mentioned the fifteen days of leave.
I don’t think they’re getting a great deal. It’s sounds like a shitty leave situation to me.
I was just questioning Lib’s math.
Are you implying that there is something wrong (stupid, pieces of shit, etc…) with the residents of the state of TX or with this one particular resident of the state of TX (GWB)? Just curious.
Why do you keep picking at this?
I have already noted more than once that I see why you would have drawn the conclusion you did.
I have even acknowledged that, contrary to my earlier assessment, other posters could come to the same conclusion.
My only point is that as a third party reader with no access to the Report e-mails, I came to a different conclusion and that I (erroneously) figured that that was the conclusion others would draw.
As to the wording of the warning, we already have the prior post by Skip Magic that introduced the word to the discussion. Therefore, that is the word that (in my reading) came most easily to Veb when she posted. That you have never accused anyone of trolling may very well be true. You say it and I accept it. However, it is not true that you have never complained of any other poster’s behavior. Since the word trolling was in the air, that was the word I saw Veb grab when she advised you not to complain about the post in question.
Perhaps the events happened exactly the way you perceived them and Veb was lying to the staff when she discussed the matter off board. I am not inside either of your heads, so I will not claim to know the “Truth.” On the other hand, I think we’ve beaten this to death.
The man was born in 1946. He lived in Texas from 1948-1949, then again from 1950-1961. He then went to boarding school, and then to college, but his legal residence was still in Texas. He then moved back to Texas, where he lived from 1969-1973. He then left to get his MBA. In 1975, he moved back to Texas, where he lived until he was sworn in as President in 2001.
President Bush is 59 years old. He lived in Texas for 42 of those 59 years, and if he hadn’t won the Presidency, he would likely be living there still.
I had the weasel word “may” in the quote because, frankly, I was ignorant of his history; my point was that even if King was correct, he was correct in a detail that was irrelevant from a PR standpoint.
Thanks for the information, though!
Daniel
Agreed. And I am satisfied with the outcome of my private e-mail correspondences. Therefore, I will not comment on the substance of your latest post and leave it as the last word on the matter. If others make further comments on it in here, I’ll ignore them.
I guess “bragging” is the eye of the beholder as none of those statements fit the bill in my book. They seem to be mere statements of fact*. Had he said something like: You’re not a real president unless you serve during war time, that would be clear bragging.
But, since **Liberal **has decided not to respond, and my post was directed particularly at him, I will assume that he cannot refute any of my points.
*you may argue about the facts upon which the statements are based, but that doesn’t reflect on the issue of whether bragging has ensued.
And once again, **Fear Itself ** shows himself to be a blithering idiot. How about addressing the question I asked instead of pretending to be the Grapist?