Presidential Primaries and Party Membership

Donald Trump may now be a Republican, but fairly recently he was a Democrat. Bernie Sanders has long identified himself as Independent, and not Democrat. Why doesn’t either party, or both parties, include a requirement to be a member of that party for a time in order to appear on that party’s primary ballot for the Presidency?

I would say a 10-year tenancy as a party member could be appropriate. That would allow some youthful flirtations with third parties or a change of heart before becoming a member of the party in question, but enough time in the party to show allegiance to that party.

I know different states have different rules for appearing on the ballot, but an overall rule of “must have been a member of our party for at least the past ten years” doesn’t seem very restrictive to me.

Is either party now considering this? What reasons are there that they shouldn’t do so?

You might have made that argument in the past but party membership as a percentage of the population is at a low point for both Democrats and Republicans. Such a requirement introduced now would lead to further regulation of political parties and primaries and potential growth for parties besides the top two, and those top two parties want none of that.

Why should parties care what you used to be?

It’s extremely common for politicians to switch parties when the political situation changes. The new party welcomes them with open arms. If they get elected it’s a plus for the new party. And often they bring along a bunch of new voters with them. Why in the world would parties want to stop this?

Political parties don’t actually have to be religious cults with stringent loyalty tests. They can just be organizations that try to win elections.

Isn’t this what happened with Trump – he used to be a Democrat, became a Republican and won the primary? I don’t think they’re welcoming him with open arms, and I rather suspect they’ll be looking for a way to prevent this happening again.

I think Exapno has the salient point here. Trump was not strongly associated with either party, not a politician, and not particularly wanted by either party. More often though, big names strongly associated with a party switch sides with great acclaim from their new team. It generally means a repudiation of their past party more than acceptance of the new one, but no one cares about that detail, in politics sticking it to the other guys is worth a lot.

So the actual voters don’t count? I see the Republican Speaker of the House loudly proclaiming that Trump won the primaries so he is the Republican nominee and must be supported.

What does it mean to be a member of a party? Legally speaking, there is no definition to this. You can register your name for a party, but that implies nothing more than the ability to vote for that party’s nominees in a closed primary. Many states allow same-day registration or require no party affiliation at all in order to vote. Nobody is a card-carrying Republican or Democrat. The verbal expression of affiliation is sufficient; i.e. if you say you’re a Republican then you’re a Republican. To change this means changing the entire political culture of the country, from the bottom up.

Can you prove that Trump hasn’t been a Republican for ten years? No, you can’t. He’s been a registered Republican since 1987. That’s 29 years.

Your reasoning is backward. You’re trying to come up with a fix for Donald Trump but instead are creating havoc for the entire system, a change guaranteed to net out with far worse results than anyone in the party system would tolerate.

Demogogues happen. They are outside the party system even if they seize the label. Changing the party system won’t stop them.

Actually, he’s changed party affiliation a number of times:

1987: Republican
1999: Independence Party
2001: Democratic
2009: Republican
2011: registered as having no party affiliation
2012: Republican

Not overly surprising, considering his attention span.

Donald Trump changed political parties at least five times: report

I think there’s an argument to be made that the primary election process, over time, has fallen more into the hands of ideologues who do not believe in compromise. This has lead to fewer politicians on both sides who are elected with any willingness at all to work with the other side.

Eric Cantor was a pretty loyal, party-line Republican, but he wasn’t intransigent enough and participated in a few (very few) of the deals Speaker Boehner negotiated with the White House, and as thanks for it he was defeated in a primary by a candidate who will never negotiate with anyone.

Paul Ryan has even faced a challenge from a similarly recalcitrant type (Ryan is likely to crush him) but the fact that politicians who would likely compromise in a different political climate are drifting towards complete intransigence toward the other party is a serious problem, and only getting worse. For the last few cycles we’ve mostly focused on the Republicans, because the Tea Party movement has become emblematic of this trend. But I think we’re going to slowly start seeing it with the Democrats as well as their progressive wing gets more assertive.

What I find amusing is these ideologues punish “establishment” politicians largely for not being able to do the impossible. Boehner got dinged for “caving” to Obama and not, you know, defaulting on our national debt, and for not “forcing” Obama to repeal Obamacare. Boehner would’ve probably been happy to repeal Obamacare if he had a 2/3rds majority in both houses that would support it, but he didn’t. Instead, Boehner recognized what was possible versus impossible, and took the best possible path he could as a Speaker dealing with a President of the alternate party. The far right who blasted him seemed almost ignorant of the fact that there’s no magical path around the Presidential veto.

On the left, the progressives have largely chosen to ignore the fact that for 6 out of Obama’s 8 years in office he’s faced either a divided Congress or a Republican Congress. The Presidency is limited in many ways if it lacks legislative support. But fuck that, Obama and Boehner represent “corrupt politics” because they aren’t willing to blow the country up in a fit of ideological purity. Luckily we’ll be able to make sure, through the primary process, fewer and fewer traitors like them can get nominated to offices at the various level of government, am I right?!

If we may segue across the Atlantic Ocean quickly, look at how Britain’s parties have traditional operated.

Right now, to stand for election as the leader of Labour, you need the support of 20% of the Labour MPs (or if you’re the incumbent, apparently you can stand even without said support), and then you have an election pitting all the candidates who have more than 20% MP support. This process has tended over time to exclude people that aren’t willing to compromise or work within the normal Parliamentary process. Something notable about Britain’s party systems is very, very few people are party members. Being a party member in Britain comes with it responsibilities and a requirement of paying dues.

In fact, if you note, Labour recently democratized this process somewhat. Instead of requiring full membership to vote, it now allows people to register as “supporters” by paying only £3; at least in part, support of these £3 “supporters” allowed Britain’s recalcitrant left wing ideologue, Jeremy Corbyn, to win Labour leadership. This has likely doomed the party to electoral irrelevance for a generation (particularly since he appears unwilling to leave his post even though over 80% of Labour MPs want him out.)

The party leadership in Britain actually select who will stand for election in various districts–there is no primary process. In fact, if you keep looking across the Atlantic, at various different countries, we are the only one that lets voters decide who will represent a party at an election. This intermeshing between the party apparatus and actual elections have caused significant problems here in the United States, and arguably while it’s “more democratic in theory” it produces worse results for our democracy.