I saw a program on drug legalization which was being pushed by ex drug cops. They were pro legalization. They said if you dropped a chunk of cocaine on a street corner 95 % would just walk on by. The others, who would grab it ,get it anyway. They believed it would not increase users.
Put up or admit you lied. It doesn’t have to be any more personal than that.
Where did you get them before they were stolen? There is your tracking device right there.
Um, I bet the weapon(s) that took the lives of those pigs were purchased legally and through an FFL.
Neverless, that paperwork doesn’t seem to help regardless. I like your posts pretty well enough considering your occupation, however, I don’t think that even handgun registration has worked so well in Washington state, considering my previous experience. The police and ATF spent about 9 hours dealing with me and my apartment due to mandatory handgun registration (when purchasing from FFLs, not private citizens) plus whatever time they spent prior on this individual and his possessions, all of which had absolutely nothing to do with the crime that said LEOs were investigating. That time could have definitely been spent better elsewhere, especially during a murder investigation. Don’t those tend to “go cold” after 48 hours?
Of course, to apply your logic further, if I tolerate such outrageous, insulting, offensive statements, I am tacitly endorsing a system that allows them. I guess the solution is to repeal the First Amendment as well, no?
Some facts for the witless:
1 - Women own guns too.
2 - Are hunters supposed to kill animals with their bare hands? Should we all only eat burgers if we can take down the cow mano-a-mano?
3 - “Batshit killing sprees” account for about .0001%* of all murders in this country, but about 75% of the press coverage homicide receives. Think about it.
4 - Mass shootings have occurred in every major Western industrialized country. They have occurred in Great Britain, they have occurred in germany. In both places, guns are almost impossible to obtain.
And here is Use #5: The United States Olympic Shooting Team. 'Cause, ya know, it’s an Olympic sport.
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Actually, in 2005, 4.4% of homicides involved 2 or more victims, and .05% involved five or more victims. Multiple victim homicides were more likely to involve a gun than single victim homicides. Multiple victim homicides have also been on the increase over the past two decades.
So it looks like you were off by a factor of 500.
And Mr. Krebbs - those “pigs”? Is this an ironic use of the word, or do you mean to disparage the police officers who were killed over the weekend here in Pittsburgh?
The second line from your site:
This depends entirely on the class of firearm, and this is entirely uncited off the top of my head.
ALL fully automatic weapons used in crime are smuggled in or manufactured illegally. This is by definition–the rare legal fully automatic weapons are all known and licensed, and none have been used in a crime since 1938 (IIRC on the date)
For handguns, the situation is reversed–many are either stolen or reported missing/stolen to mask their provenance.
For long weapons of the normal variety, if I recall correctly, the infrequent illegal possession of same is generally by way of theft, again.
Mostly they are being stolen within the same communities the crime is taking place in, from other semi-criminal types.
The biggest problem with your line of reasoning, though, is the fact that the existence of the smuggling channel that obviously does get fully automatic illegal arms in-country implies the existence of a channel that obviously CAN get more handguns into the country if and when the local supply dries up. Couple that with the pretty much inevitable fact that criminals can and will trade illegal guns around (to mess with the police’s ability to catch repeated offenders) and the equally inevitable fact that no illegal guns will be confiscated easily compared to the ease of confiscating legally owned guns, and I think you’ll see a drop but not a cessation of illegal guns. In addition, I don’t think it is currently possible with data available to predict the impact on crime rates from a small drop and descending rate of illegally possessed firearms vs. a total loss of all legally possessed ones.
You’re taking that very much out of context. it also provides a chart which shows that alcohol related arrests increased from 1920 to 1925. I take that as strong evidence that alcohol consumption increased. I note that an epidemic of alcohol abuse among children is a pretty good indication the whole thing backfired very badly. He cites plenty of other facts which support my position as well. Now, if you want to continue arguing about this, please start another thread.
*Arrests for drunkenness in some of the leading cities of the United States, 1920 to 1925: *
Boston
21,800
30,987
37,543
38,988
39,528
37,944
Providence
2,567
3,778
4,830
5,127
4,819
4,197
New York
5,936
6,237
8,578
10,643
13,988
12,917
Buffalo
7,421
8,347
8,868
12,181
11,135
16,174
Newark
1,310
1,252
1,198
2,541
3,477
2,615
Philadelphia
14,313
21.850
26,299
45,226
55,766
58,617
Pittsburgh
9,577
10,371
16,554
24,651
25,401
28,568
Wilmington, Del.
295
498
577
707
1,003
1,011
Baltimore
1,785
3,258
4,955
6,235
6,029
5,887
Washington
5,415
6,375
8,368
8,128
10,854
11,168
Richmond
1,563
1,953
2,752
2,959
2,826
2,596
Wilmington, N.C.
145
191
179
223
303
220
Charleston, S.C.
508
512
564
582
732
775
Jacksonville
811
995
1,543
2,348
2,251
2,900
Atlanta
4,199
4,491
6,553
7,003
7,972
7,557
Birmingham
927
1,117
2,000
3,652
3,972
4,962
Vicksburg
42
63
106
137
105
321
New Orleans
2,399
7,079
12,511
10,173
12,788
14,171
Galveston
241
694
905
1,108
1,391
1,259
Little Rock
511
853
819
644
771
695
St. Louis
1,861
993
1,930
2,376
2,551
5,092
Louisville
1,016
2,495
2,018
3,812
4,748
5,229
Knoxville
2,753
4,456
3,862
Cleveland
2,991
5,156
16,817
18,814
19,271
23,393
Cincinnati
395
603
712
1,118
1,895
2.279
Chicago
32,362
49,762
64,853
75,900
86 072
92,888
Detroit
6,599
7,220
10,098
11,947
13,717
15,124
Minneapolis
2,363
5,243
7,268
7,289
7,676
7,435
Milwaukee
516
754
2,514
3,789
6,056
Omaha
2,640
3,821
5,242
4,817
4,480
5,142
Des Moines
1,364
1,949
3,533
4,489
3,032
2,395
Seattle
5,753
5,797
7,066
7,974
6,756
6,377
Portland
2,476
2,904
3,761
3,099
3,922
3,613
Los Angeles
3,357
6,559
9,910
12,839
10,660
11,290
San Francisco
1,814
3,847
7,261
7,738
7,953
8,069
Salt Lake City
659
658
768
868
919
1,086
I think it would be a gross misapplication of statistical reasoning to infer from increases in arrests for public intoxication, following the criminalization of almost all alcohol and a stepped-up enforcement regime, that alcohol consumption had necessarily increased.
I’ll freely admit that I am lightly prejudiced towards cops, but if I call the one that patrols the street in front of my apartment - who I don’t know personally - a pig, I don’t see why the dead ones should get a pass. I don’t necessarily mean to disparage any specific LEO as much as I mean to disparage the occupation when I use the term. Police are trained to lie and manipulate as a course of their daily duties. I don’t consider anyone who signs up to be a trained liar the least bit honorable, even if he does manage to save a couple lives here and there.
You don’t understand the premise of the Constitution, and you’re not alone. There are many who also fail to grasp the Constitution of the United States.
The 2nd Amendment does not grant the right, the Amendment prohibits the government from infringing upon that right.
Same for the 1st Amendment. The Amendment does not grant you the right to freedom of speech, the Amendment prohibits the gov from infringing upon that right.
The great and unique thing about America is that it was founded under the premise of individual freedom and liberty. If you examine the Bill of Rights, it’s easy to see that they are not rights that are benevolently granted by the government. Each of the Amendments are restrictions placed on the government. The rights that the Bill of Rights protect, are rights considered natural rights held by free individuals.
This is a distinction without a difference. The freedoms exist because the government lets you have them. It’s silly to cite a state definition of rights to support an argument that the state does not grant rights.
And the government exists because the people let it, so chill out.
It just says enforcement has gone up. There is a lot of money in it.
Here’s a story about the increase in gun and ammunition sales since Obama was elected, from NPR and the Washington Post, via Daily Kos.
This guy here in Pittsburgh seems to have worked himself up over time in response to fearmongering like this, which apparently the NRA is directly involved in. Now, he was also coming from a Stormfront/ZOG craziness background, so he didn’t need as much working up. I’m just growing more and more concerned about the whipping up of insanity we’re hearing (Chuck Norris - we surround them - Michelle Bachman - Glenn Beck - revolution - the Tea Baggers) that this guy in Pittsburgh may be the tip of the iceberg.
Obviously if a dictatorship abrogated all personal freedoms and enforced itself with a police state, then the citizens would not be free. The point is that the founders of the US started by saying that it was “self-evident” that certain things are inherent in the nature of humanity. That it was self-evident that people ought to be free. And that if a government denied this, or insisted that it was “necessary” to abrogate this, then that government was a tyranny, more interested in it’s own self-perpetuation (and the power of the people who ran it) than what was good for the people. Now this gets into the whole natural rights deal which is a 500-post debate in itself, and in previous threads you’ve established that your worldview is essentially Hobbesian so I don’t expect you to agree with this. Let’s just say a lot of people back in the 18th century disagreed with Hobbes, and a lot of people on this board do as well.
Are there no limits to your asshole-ry? Clip the quote, fecal monkey.
First, I defined the loophole above, please read, and before you answer, know that I personally have purchased guns this way.
Second, :rolleyes: YOU know that about the AK/SKS, I KNOW that about the AK/SKS, but folks like, say, Lissener or Tiger Tamer don’t know and nor do they care, all they may know is that the guns have a similar look and are used by bad guys all over. Like I said, we can’t try to address raw emotion with cold logic, we have to temper the emotion with logic and come at it from a new direction. People are willing and able to lie to themselves and deny fact for what they want to be true, it’s human nature and we need to learn how to operate within its’ boundaries. People believe a man came back to life after being dead for three days, people believe that a man built an ark and two two of every critter on a cruise 'round the world, it’s not so hard for people to lie to themselves about something that’s an actual danger to society.