Price of water

It’s also more like 300%. Restaurants have a 300% markup or a 70% margin on their food.

But it comes in a bottle that’s clean, cold, ready to use and fits in my cup holder and when I’m done with it I can put it in any garbage or recycling bin in the world and it gets dealt with free of charge. For anywhere between 25¢ and $2, that’s not bad.

It really bugs me when people go all off the rails about bottled water and talk about how stupid it is. Well, some people really like the convenience. I don’t want to carry a clunky water bottle around with me. I don’t want to wash a reusable water bottle every few days. I don’t want to take a sip of water only to find out it’s been sitting in my car and now it’s hot (or frozen solid).
I’d rather just be leaving and grab a bottle. When it’s done, I toss the empty and grab another. If I were to buy a bottle a day at 25¢, it would be $90 a year. I can afford that for the convenience of a fresh, cold bottle of water each day and not having to clean up after my self (saving recycling the bottle).

Why not go all nuts after the person who goes out to the diner every morning for eggs and coffee? He could make that at home for a fraction of the cost. What about the person who dries a Porsche or Land Rover? They could get a very nice car that cost $25,000 less then those and still be driving in luxury.
Everybody likes to spend their money on something, I don’t see why people feel the need to tell others how stupid they are for spending their’s on bottled water. I’d be willing to bet, for every person that tells someone else they should be using a reusable water bottle and (filtered) tap water, there’s something that person is doing that other people would consider a giant waste as well. Driving a car that doesn’t get 40+mpg? Have drafty windows? Use disposable diapers instead of cloth? Maybe don’t recycle when it isn’t convenient all the time?
But for some reason, the bottled water thing, is the what a lot of people like to get on their high horse about. I don’t know if it’s because the math is easy. Look ma! I can multiply. Well, maybe don’t use the gas station as a reference point. Or if it’s because they hear fun facts that they can repeat like “Did you know that bottled water is more expensive then gas/beef/a car by weight?” Again, anything is expensive you find the most expensive source and use that as a reference point. That’s like me saying I got an a bagel at a restaurant once and it was $2.00, therefore a 10 pack at the grocery store must be $20 and that’s why it’s a giant waste of money to eat those things. Did you know that if you gave up your bagel every day, you could drive from LA to NY almost 4 times with the money you’d save!. Wait, even better, you could buy almost 3000 bottles of water! Enough to have 8 bottles a day. See how that math gets weird when you use bad numbers (the restaurant cost for a bagel vs the cheapest cost for water and the mileage on a hybrid car).

That’s what the OP did. He found the most expensive bottled water. $2.00 a pint. The only way you pay $2.00 a pint is to buy it at a gas station or a restaurant or get a boutique type brand like Fiji and then compared that cost to the absolute cheapest source the non-commercial homeowner can get their hands on. An unlimited amount, delivered to their house with no transportation costs and a HUGE volume discount. It’s the difference between buying a single bagel at a restaurant and backing a truck into the manufacturer’s plant and asking for a good price on a year’s supply of them and finding out they’ll sell them to you for 25¢ if you pick them up at their door, and they can sell them to you, unboxed, no labels, no bags, just a truckload of bagels.

Alright, that’s enough for now.
Also, I was at Sams today, they had water on sale. It was $5.49 for 24/700ml. That’s about 16¢ per pint.

I questioned a girl at work once because she was paying for bottled water even though there was a water cooler just fifteen feet from her office. She said it tasted better than the large bottle of filtered water the company provided free to employees.

I pointed out that the label on her bottle said that it was tap water from the very area she worked in. Further, the label on from the company’s water service said the same thing. And the tap water at her house was the same thing. Didn’t matter to her, her bottle tasted better.

People are easily manipulated. That’s why they pay $200 for a pair of Keds and buy cars with fancy badges on them.

It’s a huge waste of resources and energy in a time when we should be learning to conserve both.

Americans are said to go through over 50 BILLION bottles of water a year, most of which end up in landfills. What is “clunky” about a reusable water bottle? It’s that hard to hold an empty bottle under a tap and fill it? How is it hard to run an empty through a dishwasher or add it to a hand-washed batch of dishes? Why does the cheap price justify throwing away a bottle every day? Do we make the effort to reduce our landfill waste only when it’s cost-effective, or when it’s the ecologically right thing to do? You make it sound like refilling a bottle of water under the tap is just too complicated for you. And comparing how much less harmful it is than driving a Land Rover is just silly.

ETA: or what Cat Whisperer said.

I’d be curious as to how much of it actually does end up in landfills as opposed to getting recycled. If it’s that big of an issue, I wouldn’t be opposed to some kind of deposit system to help ensure more bottles are getting recycled.

As far as what’s clunky about them. Maybe ‘clunky’ was the wrong word, but I’ve yet to find one that’s as light weight as a disposable water bottle. And no, it’s not ‘too complicated’ for me (but thanks for the compliment) to wash it out, but for a quarter, I’ll toss it (in a recycling bin), thankuverymuch.

If, out of my entire spiel, that’s what you took away from it, you really missed the point. I never, not once, said bottled water was more or less harmful then driving a Land Rover. Also, saying one thing is easier does not imply the other option is ‘too complicated’. That’s bad logic.

It’s not like I can buy a car for practically nothing. Water, I get from the tap for damn near free. I’ve never done more than rinse my canteen, how would it get dirty?

You could take the bus or get rides from friends or walk or ride a bike, but that’s too complicated for most people. It’s easier to spend money on a car and be wasteful by not using public transportation. [/sarcasm]

As for how your reusable water bottle can get dirty, you really should be washing it out from time to time with soap and water. They can get germy (from you) and moldy from the water.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-08-03/health/sc-health-0803-water-bottle-20110803_1_water-bottle-dry-hot-car

Maybe the bottle imparts needed flavor.

Exactly right, and I chose that because that’s the way an immense amount of bottle water is bought. The situation where people buy a Sam’s generic flat of bottles and then take one a day is another, much lesser situation.

Water is typically priced on a par with soda at most grab-one locations. It’s even higher priced at captive-audience events, so using $2.00 was a fairly reasonable median (maybe even modal) price for what I’m talking about.

Now… buying water by the case lot so that you can grab one, instead of using a filtration system (if you even need one; many localities have tap water better than some bottled water) and reusable bottle for the “I take a bottle with me every single day” crowd… that’s another whole level of idiocy.

What, exactly, is generic about the two links I provided to the pricing from Sam’s Club?
Err, I see I only provided one link. Well, the link I provided was for Ice Mountain, the other brand is Nestle. Neither is generic.

Can I get a cite on people buying less Nestle/Ice Mountain for 70ish cents and immensely more $2.00 pints? I mean, ultimately, that is what your thread is about.

You really think the majority of bottled water is bought in Sam’s case flats and not from quick-pick coolers?

You keep coming at this from the oddest angles. Yes, I think flats of water bought at Sam’s Club with the Members Mark label are generic, in both specific brand issues and as representative of all store-brand or essentially non-brand products. Exactly what are you objecting to with that characterization?

I don’t know. You threw it out there, you back it up. You’re the one writing the paper, wouldn’t it help to have a cite to back up your claim?

I never mentioned Member’s Mark. I mentioned Nestle and Ice Mountain. And what difference does the brand make?

Anyways, my whole thing was that you are comparing the most expensive water you can find to the cheapest. Of course there’s a discrepancy. Just like with my bagel example. But it’s not fair to talk about the extreme price of bagels if you set your price based on what it cost to buy one at the fancy restaurant in the art district.
So, yeah, I guess the price is staggering between the cost at the tap and a $2.00 pint bottle. But by the logic, it’s even more staggering if you compare it to a $3.00 bottle.

Not drinking bottled water is one of the low-hanging fruit in trying not to crap up the world so much (a philosophy that us North Americans aren’t too fond of, but we need to get it into our heads).

Joey P, I really can’t follow most of your arguments anywhere useful. Enjoy your bottled water. À santé.

At fifteen cents a bottle you are paying around 650 times the cost of tap water. You’re right; that’s such a bargain I never should have brought the topic up.

Yeah, it’s the wasted bottles throwaway thing even if recycled and the gas wasted delivering it. I don’t think drinking things stored in plastic is a good idea either - there’s always a slight plastic taste.

By the way, this has been a fun and useful round of Doping. The essay I was writing in parallel with it came out about four times as long and several times more amusing than first envisioned. Have a big glass of tap water on me.

I’ll buy you a bottle. :slight_smile:

And as a final thought, all of the above calculations are much too small. In reality, drinking water is free, or the next thing to it, in most households.

Buying bottled water, even if it’s every drop you drink or cook with, does not eliminate the need to have piped water for utility purposes. Since even a thirsty household is unlikely to drink or cook with ten percent of the water used in any given month, the drinking water becomes a nearly costless byproduct of the household water service.

So the factor isn’t a fortieth of a cent; it’s zero. Bottled water at any price is thus infinitely more expensive than tap.