Prisoner of Azkaban

Great movie; I really enjoyed it.

Yeah, put me down as one more person who had to stifle himself from shouting this out in the theater!

Grasshopper, I agree about loving all the small touches.

If you’ve neither seen the previous movies nor read the books, you probably will be kinda lost. This movie wastes no time on introductions; it assumes you already know who everybody is and where they are and why.

I didn’t much like the werewolf; it was my least favorite Special Effect. It didn’t look hairy or wolflike at all; instead it looked rubbery and alien and CGI.

I thought the werewolf was terrible. Like Wile E. Coyote.

What did you think of the use of a more sepia palette? Or the cinematography (i.e., I thought the filming itself was more sophisticated than the first two, and still think so after watching CoS tonight).

I have a question for y’all about the werewolf. I may be barking up the wrong tree here, as it were, but bear with me.

These are things that happened in the movie that did not, as I recall, happen in the book.

  1. When Snape takes over Lupin’s class and demands to know how to identify werewolves…

[spoiler] Hermione replies that werewolves change into wolves inadvertently, while animaguses do it by choice; and that werewolves only respond to the calls of their own kind. Something like that. My ears pricked up at that last point, not only because it’s not in the book, but also because, huh? They only respond to calls of their own kind? What does that mean?

  1. During the movie’s climax, Hermione summons Lupin (in wolf form) by howling.

It seems to me that the movie is implying that Hermione is herself a werewolf. As far as I recall, there’s no hint of that in the books so far, but it’s possible that the moviemakers know more about what’s to come than I do. It’s also possible that this is a red herring, or a completely meaningless conjunction of events, and that I’m reading far too much significance into it.

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What do you think?

The book, unless I am very much mistaken, has:

A hell of a lot more Quidditch in it, a hell of a lot more Care of Magical Creatures, a hell of a lot more of Trelawney (and Hermione fussing over the class), more Hogsmeade, the bit with the Firebolt 2000 (along with, I believe, a note from Sirius Black about it being a replacement for a lack of 12 years’ godfather presents. The identities of Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs are also discussed, whereas I don’t recall anything at all about them in the movie other than seeing their names. The discussion of who Prongs is leads to Harry thinking his father summoned an animagus when the dementors come after him and Black.

Also:

I don’t recall if it’s in this book or the next that Neville has a sheet of the passwords for Gryffindor Hall, and it gets stolen or something, but I don’t recall that being in the movie at all.

It’s a good movie if you weren’t looking for it to be a lot like the book. I think it slipped up some from the other two. It’ll be interesting to see what gets done with 4.

Is shape changing a metaphor for growing up?

A werewolf who can’t help changing. Ammoral.
A bad guy changing form to escape. Immoral.
A good guy, falsely accused who changes shpae to save others. Heroic.

Yes, it was in the movie.

Not in the movie: Who made the Marauder’s Map, or that James was an animagus.The latter point concerning me more because I think it’s part of Harry’s psychological development to have to contend with how he’s like James, when James is not always a very nice guy.

I am absolutely NOTORIOUS as the woman you don’t want to go to movies with due to my habit of picking everything apart and being unable to suspend disbelief. Nonetheless, and despite all the changes, I really liked this movie and want to see it again.

Add me to the list of people who were dismayed by the failure to explain the origin of the Marauder’s map and the names “Padfoot, Moony, Wormtail and Prongs.” It would have been a genuinely emotional moment which would not have added more than a minute or two to the length of the movie and wouldn’t have overtaxed the actor who played Harry’s very limited range, but which would have helped to add depth and cleared things up considerably for people who had never read the book. (Sorry – I’m lousy at actor’s names.)

I had expected Professor Lupin to have greyer hair and to be thinner, but the actor absolutely won me over.

Re: the Shrieking Shack, I agree that the whole scene was much too choppy and left too many questions. Actually, I had some trouble with that scene even in the book because it was kind of hard to follow, but at least in the book, you could go back and figure it out later, and I suppose that the argument could be made that we (the readers/viewers) were no more confused than Harry, Ron and Hermione were. In any event, it needed work.

I was surprised by the physical appearance of the werewolf, but I liked it. It was a nice reminder that a werewolf isn’t just a particularly nasty wolf, frightening though that would be, but a terrifying supernatural creature. Also, its embarrassing, semi-naked appearance made the wretchedness of of the lycanthroe manifest.

Sorry this isn’t written better, but it’s past my bedtime. Also, it is too late for me to be messing around with spoiler boxes (I’d have to figure out how to make one), and being vague helps keep me from inadvertently spilling any beans that other posters haven’t already spilled.

Finally, I was REALLY disappointed by the fact that Ron never got to say “I let you sleep in my BED!” to (ahem) Scabbers. In the book, it really summed up Ron’s shock and outrage nicely.

Whoops! I forgot two of my favorite things about this movie – the improved appearance of the ghosts and the vast increase in activity by the living portraits. In the first two movies, only one or two of the paintings actually did anything. It really detracted from the atmosphere of ambient weirdness.

In one of the many, many threads about The Passion of the Christ, somebody commented that it’s cheating to leave something out of a movie because everybody knows it from the source material. That’s what I think this was.

My favorite little part: The Night Bus

My least favorite part: The Shrieking Shack (as many have mentioned). It was quite odd how bad that scene was, considering how good so much of everything else was.

Overall, an unqualified thumb up.

Since this is the second page, I’m dispensing with spoiler boxes. Read at your own risk.

The movie was good, but would have been helped immmensely by a slower pace. Watching it, I felt like my mom must have while I was learning to drive – hitting the imaginary brake pedal. No, make that stomping the imaginary brake pedal. It would have been better, too, if Harry had gotten his broom at Christmas, so that Sirius’ presence as a benevolent figure would have been alluded to. And that would have opened it up for more Quidditch, which I love. I dont’ even remember there being anythigna bout Christmas at all. I so look forward to those sweaters.

One of my friends DID shout out “I’m king of the world!” during the hippogriff scene. That struck a sour note with me, since my dad (of all people) became a Titanic buff when that movie came out and I was inundated with all things big, dumb and ship-ly for nearly a year. Hated it!

Things I liked: Hermione slapping Harry’s hand out the way with the timeturner – it was pure Hermione. I was also extraordinarily happy about there being some serious clues about Hermione and Ron being attracted to each other. I’m a big H/R shipper. And the Weasly twins! I love Fred and George and avidly await the scene of them blowing off Umbridge when they leave school. Yay!

Bottomline: Okay, but it needed to slow down.

I haven’t seen the film yet but for all of you that say that the film seemed rushed only have to get hold of the books and stack them side by side. Every new book is bigger than the previous one, heck Goblet of Fire pretty much doubles in size compared to Prisoner of Azkaban. All I can say is that is is gonna have to be expected unless you want GoF to be a 5 hour production and as for the Order of the Phoenix. My god, It’ll be an all-nighter.

Overall, a good flick. Did a lot of handwaving with bits of the story out of the book, presumably for time.

The guy who played Lupin was good, but he was also the bad guy in Dragonheart. I kept looking for Dennis Quaid and a dragon with Sean Connery’s voice.

The new Dumbledore was disappointing. He couldn’t pull off the twinkle in the eye that Richard Harris did.

I know you’re not supposed to like Pettigrew, but the guy that played him was disgusting, and I couldn’t believe him to be an early 40-something wizard to fit in with James, Remus, and Sirius.

Emma Samms as Professor Trelawney was a hoot.

The lady who owned the pub in Hogsmeade looked familiar, but I could not figure out who it was. Julie Christie! She was a blast from the past.

I didn’t like the new set. It was dristractingly different from the other two.

D’ya suppose in a couple of years we’ll have the "Director’s Cut"s of the HP movies, featuring cut and missing scenes (re)inserted, as been done with the “Lord of the Rings” movies? I found the extended editions of LOTR far more enjoyable than the theatrical editions (especially “Two Towers”), clearing up a lot of “wherethehelldidTHATcomefrom” confusions and deeper chracter development. I do have to say I was quite disappointed with the HP DVDs, as they seemed to be lacking in extras, like the actor interviews feeling very rushed and no director commentary at all. I would have liked that.

(And call me a mindless idiot, I usually love the blooper reels from a movie, featuring blown lines, faulty props and practical jokes. There’s gotta be one out there for any of the HP movies. Anyone know any?)

It was Emma Thompson who played professor Trelawney, and yes, she did a superb job. I’d watch her read the phone book, she is so entertaining. I expected more scenes with her and never got the feel that Ron & Harry thought her class was complete bunk.

I also loved in the beginning the way the Visiting Aunt was blowing up and Dudley was absorbed watching the TV.

:smack:

Shoshana - Neville’s getting the password list stolen wasn’t in the movie. They did have the scene where Sirius slashed the Fat Lady’s portrait, but the scene in the book where Sirius actually gets into Griffyndor Tower (when he cuts the curtains around Ron’s bed) was replaced with Ron’s nightmare about tap-dancing with spiders.
Cute scene, that one, but not what was in the book.

I had the mental “I’m king of the world!” moment as well, and I didn’t care for that scene in general - in the book Harry finds the hippogriff ride rather unpleasant.

On the whole, I liked the movie a lot, but I was also disappointed that Lupin’s connection to the Marauders’ Map wasn’t addressed, in the Patronus, and in the actor chosen to play Pettigrew.

Lisa-Go-Blind - I have pictured Eddie Izzard as Ludo Bagman (book 4), and Tim Roth as Lupin - I think we’ve had this discussion before. Eddie’s too robust to play Lupin, although I’d pay money to watch him do just about any role, no matter how badly miscast he was. I just adore him. Thewlis was good, but I still think Roth would have been absolutely perfect.

I was almost disappointed. I thought it would be SPECTACULAR and it was merely Good. However, the sight of Snape in drag was worth the price of admission alone. :smiley:

I am in agreement that it was way too fast-paced. I know you have a lot of ground to cover and you don’t want the kiddies getting bored, but the movie ran about 2:20 and you could have put in an extra ten minutes’ worth of film and dialogue with no harm to the running time. I felt the Aunt Marge and Knight Bus scenes spent a little too much time on business, belaboring the “she’s getting bigger…and bigger” like something out of Monty Python, and the “look at the funny bus squeezing between the other buses” stuff, and then speeding up from Harry’s arrival at the inn onwards.

You have a large ensemble of talented, appealing character actors who are allowed to deliver their lines and perform their bits of business in one or two scenes before the movie races away to the next scene. A number of scenes are meant to be powerful emotional moments for Harry: when Harry thinks he’s going to be expelled for using magic on Aunt Marge; the adults’ conversation in Hogsmeade about Sirius’s history with James; of course the whole Shrieking Shack scene; even the destruction of Harry’s broom – in the book, he’s devastated by this.

The Shrieking Shack scene is a very talky four chapters in the book, IIRC, and I wasn’t expecting to hear all of it. But this is a pivotal scene in which we have to get from “Sirius Black is a violent lunatic out to kill Harry” to “Sirius Black is a much-loved, loyal friend of the Potters’ who was cruelly betrayed and unjustly sent to prison.” By the end of it, Harry is thrilled by the possibility of going to live with his godfather. There is also the business of Lupin apparently switching sides when he embraces Sirius – not only is there the horrified, “I don’t believe this!” moment for the kids, but the realization that Lupin himself didn’t know the truth about his old friend all this time. David Thewlis has played a lot of bad guys, probably because of the way he looks; here again we get the possibility that, like Professor Quirrell, a trusted adult turns out to be a bad guy. Lupin helps pull us over to the understanding that this frightening stranger is really just a dear friend in trouble.

I think there’s a rule in adapting screenplays from other sources that you should never lose the big lines, the ones that everyone is expecting to hear. As someone else already mentioned, they lost Ron’s "I let you sleep in my bed!" line, which is priceless in its combination of horror and comedy. I was also waiting for Harry’s line, “This is the weirdest thing we’ve ever done,” as he and Hermione watch themselves near Hagrid’s hut. I thought that would have been a good laugh line.

Other stuff:

Hogwarts is absolutely gorgeous. Stunning. The grounds, the moving paintings, that suspended bridge, the classrooms, the (perceived) use of natural light. Wow. I would be awed and humbled to attend such a school.

Emma Watson was great. At the risk of sounding “pervy” myself, that Rupert Grint is growing up to be a nice-looking young man. Daniel Radcliffe is fine and appealing, but I agree that his big emotional scene in the snow was lame. I also thought the scene where he finally uses the Patronus Charm successfully to be weak – that’s the kind of thing that should have me in tears, and I wasn’t.

Lupin’s mustache threw me – I thought it looked too 1930s, when the rest of the school is, well, 1730s. :smiley:

When Harry threw his arms out while riding Buckbeak, I thought of The Black Stallion instead of Titanic.

Sirius in animal form should be a big, powerful, beautiful Newfoundland, not a skinny black wolf.

I really liked the moment when Sirius grabs Lupin as he’s changing and tries to talk him down. That wasn’t in the book. “Remember who you are…you’re in your heart” or whatever it was – even if it suggests that being a werewolf is controllable, it shows the intense friendship of these two men who haven’t seen each other in years, and Sirius’ devotion to the people dear to him.

Question: the business about seeing Peter Pettigrew’s name on the Map wasn’t in the book, was it? They may be trying to prepare us for the Bartemious Crouch business coming up.

I thought that:

Black was the one who told them about what happened to Peter Pettigrew. The bit about the finger was mentioned in the book AFAIK, but Potter didn’t see Pettigrew on the map. He did see lots of other folks, though.

The more I think about this, the more disappointing it becomes to someone (like me) who was hoping for something that more closely followed the book. I wouldn’t have minded a 3-hour movie if it had meant more proximity to the book. Am I imagining it or:

In the book, isn’t there a big to-do about the Mysterious Firebolt, and who sent it? Hermione wants it inspected in case it’s cursed or something, and Harry doesn’t get to use it straight-off at all.

I thought the movie handled this horribly.

Yup, there was a big to do about the firebolt, it was taken and stripped down by McGonagall which meant Ron and Hermione had a massive argument, whihc meant Hermione spent loads of time on her own helping Hagrid with Buckbeats appeal. All of this was left out. I guess its understandable though, you cant have everything in the book that wed like to see. And I suppose if they did put the Firebolt into the middle of the story they would then have had to explain where Harry first saw the firebolt, and then theyd also have to include the quidditch cup and all of that story.