From everything I’ve read on this board about Muffin’s lawyerly activities, and your lawyerly activities, he’s at least 100 times as valuable to his society as you are to yours. One can only wish that lawyers were so compensated.
OK, Frank. You can think that if you want, it doesn’t bother me or contradict anything I’ve said. I’ve talked only about the actual value of the services I provide (as measured by the amount people are willing to pay), not any kind of nebulous concept of moral/social value or whatever.
SFG, how do you feel about the people in this thread (several of whom are lawyers) who say that the rules do not impose an actual obligation on lawyers to do pro bono? If that’s all you are saying, then it must hurt to see other people who are subject to those rules agree with me.
That RR has no value at all to society and a high value to himself is, if I am not mistaken, his whole reason to exist. Doing something for the benefit of others would be like Sauron setting up a day care center for orclings.
What do you think I do for 60 hours a week? Do stuff that’s not for the benefit of others? So people pay me well over a million bucks a year to do stuff that’s not to their benefit?
If you think that’s a hair worth splitting with the Bricker method, be my guest. Assuming that you don’t help non-profits with their taxes (and for all I know, you may do that) helping rich people and corporations pay less taxes may have value to you and to them and you and they may even entertain a sincere belief that it helps society overall, but it is of negative value to me and many other people. Particularly if you are really good at what you do. Tax was my best subject in law school, and if I held your same values I too would undoubtedly be a rich tax lawyer. But being the liberal douche that I am, I consider tax work to be a waste of one’s life in service of Mammon. I help people who are being sued and are greatly traumatized and lost in an utterly amoral system that will destroy them financially without my help.
The rich and powerful need representation too. That’s why God put guys like you on this earth. But if my epitaph were going to say: “he was the best tax lawyer in the Mid-West”, I’d blow my brains all over the wall now. What floats my boat is guiding small timers through the civil litigation wringer. And yes, I can see how most lawyers would be utterly appalled at the prospect of a life like that. And I frequently do it for free.
Oh, no–look out! He’s going to hit you with his wallet!!
Rich sociopathic selfish fucks pay a rich sociopathic selfish fuck to help them avoid paying their fair share (or any share) of the costs of keeping our society functioning, and the fact that money changes hands in this evil transaction is supposed to impress me how?
I’ll guide you numbnuts to discover what I do for a living.
First question: In broad terms, what do people try to do before they buy a business, start a new business, form an investment fund, invest in an investment fund, etc.?
OMG.
From page 208 of A People’s History of the United States:
All bolding mine.
Please don’t dig this kind of stuff up, after everything else :rolleyes:
Huh? Seems to me like YOU are the one digging that up, bub. Maybe put the bong down for a minute or two.
[crickets chirping]
Hmmm. A distinction between ‘for the public good’ and ‘volunteer work’, where the difference is holding a gun to a lawyer’s head to coerce him into pro bono… I am going to hold out and maintain that it isn’t in the public’s interest to hold guns to lawyers’ heads to coerce representation out of them, as it is likely to bring about the opposite of the intended result. That is, not pro bono at all.
Plus, ‘pro bono’ is presented as an expected aspiration on the part of an individual lawyer. The motivation is intended to be internal; coercion transforms it into something else.
I disagree. But I don’t have any insults to accompany that, sorry.
No bong here, bub. You’re the one who feels coerced with violence by professional responsibilities while earning $1+ million a year. Please refrain from attaching references to caged animals to our black president.
You are a crazy person. Maybe try picking the bong up for a bit, may help.
If you want to share a bong and talk it over, I’ll think about it. You casting accusations of crazy 1100+ posts into this slog of a thread is a little… crazy.
“No, Randy, you don’t get it. You take a hit , you pass it to the next guy. You don’t keep it. No, if you don’t, there won’t be any consequences, but then you’re a total…oh. Never mind.”
’luci, if you want to share a bong and talk this over, that is ok too 
They… try to be comprehensive?
Win Lotto or inherit a shitload of money from a relative?
Try being honest for once in your life, RR.
Fact: people do not pay you well over a million bucks per year – not even close.
Fact: clients pay your firm well over a million bucks per year for work done by you. You are paid far, far less by your firm – the same firm that has committed itself and its partners/employees to pro bono service.
Honesty, RR, is not just for kids. It is something you should try someday.