So, you’re saying the analogy is inapt, because the Muslims deserve it?
For a million bucks, not only would I kneel to Allah, I’d give him a blow job while I was at it. 
This comparison seems highly superficial. The contexts are so different; I mean, partial parallels can be drawn, but human experiences will always share some commonalities and I don’t think that is enough for a solid analogy.
(besides, the Jews are the Jews of the 21st century…they didn’t go anywhere. 
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You have Jews violating shabbat to annoy you with their literature?
Like I said, I don’t think Muslims should be rounded up. I only disagreed with your characterization.
Not everyone shares the same morals. It is naive to think so. Those raving looney-toones represent a fringe of Islam, right along with Mohammed who used and commanded the use of such tactics if they were necessary to do the work of Allah.
Please show me one example in this world where people are committing genocide against Muslims. In Darfur, I can show you one example of where Muslims are committing genocide against others.
This statement is meaningless.
No, I am saying it is inapt because the Jews stopped their divinely commanded slaughter of non-Jews 3000 years ago. The Jews were not an existential threat in actuality to anyone in the world in 1935. It is inapt, because Muslims TODAY ARE an existential threat. They ARE committing genocide in Darfur, they ARE expelling Dhimmis from their nations. It is inapt because the Jews were the victims of propaganda campaigns that claimed they were a horrible threat to Germany and Russia when they weren’t. The Muslims are not victims of a propaganda campaign, they are, in some places, an actual threat. They are carrying out terrorist plots on foreign soil. They are buying up our ports and companies while our King kisses theirs. Show me a single ‘Death to Germany’ rally put on by Jews in the 1930s. The analogy is inapt because the Jews weren’t really a threat, and Muslims really are.
That being said, I will reiterate and take a solid stance saying that American Muslims should be protected as American citizens the same as any other American citizen. They shouldn’t be rounded up and expelled, but that doesn’t mean we should suffer retarded, naive, multiculturalist equivocations that have little rational basis.
True. I didn’t mean that (in regards to your last point), and I apologize for the wording.
Maybe you can help me with this…
It seems to me that whenever anyone draws an analogy to the Jewish Holocaust in particular, and genocide in general, people draw up on their haunches and get all fighty. What the man was calling for was genocide. Plain and simple. That we have reasons for why Islam sucks doesn’t make what he said any less offensive and frightening. People like sitting around, talking about how an atrosity (the Rwandans, Dafur, Armenians) differs from the Jewish Holocaust, and then they use the differences to turn a blind-eye. Why do we do this? Is it because we can’t really fathom it happening again, especially with us on their “wrong” side? Or is it because we don’t really think genocide is inherently evil and unjust–that despite all our notions of morality and tolerance, we actually believe some groups do deserve to be permantly extinguished? Do you know the answer?
When people like mswas gets more offended by me comparing Mr. Deady’s words to Hitler’s than by the words themselves, we’ve got a serious problem.
Muslims =/= Islamists. I thought everyone knew that by now.
By 2073 perhaps?
Edited to add:
The above in response to mswas.
So, it appears my original interpretation was correct, then?
Ah, so you’re not a Danish cartoonist. 
I’m not sure it makes sense to compare how irritated you are(n’t) with Muslims compared to how irritated you are with — whoever it is who is beating down your door and stalking you, Christians presumably — since it is a mere quirk of fate that your culture is not a Muslim one. But I think even weaker is the statement that…
…because it is useful, if it’s true, only for the purpose of characterizing how limited your exposure to Muslims really is. You are far more likely to encounter Christian nutjobs when you’re surrounded by a couple hundred million Christians than if you were in Saudi Arabia or Syria. Numbers matter. Both Christians and Muslims who live in Bethlehem these days find themselves surrounded by Jewish nutjobs. It really isn’t meaningful to extrapolate your experiences in America into an argument about people in general. And just to be clear, I’m not defending the Pro Giuliani group co-chair’s argument; I’m merely assaulting yours. 
Well, let’s see. The man calling for such had to resign. Also, you need to learn the difference between ethnic cleansing and genocide. Yes, there is a difference. Genocide is when you try to eliminate everyone of a certain genetic type, eradicate them kill them all. Ethnic cleansing can occur as forced migration, the goal is not necessarily to kill the population, but to move them. Again, I will point out, I do not agree with ethnic cleansing of our Muslim population.
You didn’t compare his words to Hitler’s. You compared the Muslim plight to the Jewish plight, a very big difference. Meanwhile, the people carrying out actual genocide in the world…are Muslims. If you can show me one example, just one of where the Jews were committing genocide in the name of their religion in the 20th century, I’ll let your analogy pass.
I’ll even break it down into two simple points for you.
- No one is committing genocide against Muslims today.
- The Jews were not committing genocide in the 20th century.
Those two points are why it’s a dumbass analogy.
No, it doesn’t appear so. That’s just your desire to feel clever talking. As I like lists, I’ll give you one too.
- No one is committing genocide against Muslims
- Fear of the Jews in the 20th century was irrational
- Fear of Muslims in the 21st century is rational
I figure that if I use any more lists in this thread, Number 1 will always be the same.
Muslim morality is not the same as either Christian morality or Secular Humanist morality. It is multiculturalist equivacatory nonsense to think so. The funny thing is that this often passes for respect for other people’s religions, though I don’t see how an ignorant mischaracterization is actually respectful, but that’s the political climate we live in today.
So does that mean I can’t extrapolate my experiences about people in general, since I’ve only encountered a handful of all the people on the planet?
I have to do to a random sampling of an entire group of people in order to say something about the people I know? Even though my point is simply they don’t deserve to die.
Your “assault” doesn’t make a bit o’ sense, man.
So what you’re saying is, anti-Semetic demagoguery in the 20th century isn’t comparable to anti-Islamic demagoguery in the 21st, because Muslims really are dangerous. Am I wrong there?
Okay, so now tell me how this is different from what I said in my first post?
Ok, I concede. You’re right. With the addition that no one is committing genocide against Muslims.
I’m not sure how that’s germane. Certainly, people are calling for genocide against Muslims, and being rightfully shouted down. Largely, I think, because we have the memory of the Holocaust (among sundry other atrocities against all manner of ethnic/religious groups, of course) to remind us of why that’s a very bad idea. Keeping such examples in the forefront of the public consciousness at this time strikes me as an excellent way of preventing monstro’s anlogy from becoming too analogous, but does not seem to be a useful argument as to why the analogy does not work at all.
Miller Just to be clear though. I am saying that anti-Muslim rhetoric is deserved, not necessarily the desired outcome of said rhetoric. There is no getting around Mohammed himself with his religious dominionist ideas. Islamism may be a minority, but it’s a quite large one.
The analogy doesn’t work at all because they are not a scapegoat for problems, but a genuine threat. The other reason it doesn’t work is because when people tried to spread the word about the genocide against the Jews, everyone just let it happen. It’s not apt because Muslims are not innocent victims, but a participant in an ideological conflict. Sure, some Muslims are victims of this war, but you and I are also victims of this war. I would rather it not be happening as many of them would rather it not be happening.
It’s a bad analogy because Muslims are not an oppressed minority that is being killed unlike the Christians in Darfur. When you can show me proof of Muslims being hosed down in box cars then I’ll lend some credence to it. As it is, the vast majority of Muslims who are being murdered are being murdered by other Muslims not by repressive nationalist regimes in Western nations.
Muslims walk free in America, and idiots like Deady are forced to resign. Jews were burned to death in ovens in Germany. That’s about as dissimilar as it gets.
So the fuck what? Do you think resigning magically changed his mind about Muslims? Do you think all those people “cosigning” on the blog are just isolated idiots, or that there could be more like them, lusting for Muslim blood?
So why the fuck are you lecturing me about the differences if you’re so against both? Death by bomb, bullet, or bulldozer, it’s ALL THE SAME. It’s taking a people and obliterating them. That’s evil.
Actually, all I said was they were the Jews of the 21st Century. You chose to stretch the analogy and take it places I didn’t intend it to. Look, I can’t help it if the first thing that came to mind after reading the quote in the OP was “Holocaust”. Really, all you have to do is replace “Muslim” with “Jew” and it sounds Hitleresque. I know it’s considered gauche to Godwinize around here, but come on. If you can’t Godwinize in a thread like this one, WHEN THE HELL CAN YOU.
Do you know what an analogy is? I hope you’re not one of those stupid individuals who believes two situations have to be identical in every way before an analogy can be drawn. I mean, when John Lennon said “Woman is the nigger of the world” your mind must have 'ploded.
No one is committing genocide against the Jews today either.
I’m not going to raise the ante on this argument by mentioning Israel, but–oops!–I just did.
Lots of people have good reason to believe that Israel’s actions have skirted dangerously close to ethnic cleansing. They haven’t brought out the bleach (yet), but the Cascade they’ve been scouring the countertop with sure has been abrasive. But this isn’t here or there since the Jew’s moral purity is irrelevant.
I’d like for you to explain better why you think that’s a valid point, especially since you keep saying you don’t think Muslims deserve to die or be removed. Are you saying that Muslims–not just the scary Muslims you see on the TV but all Muslims–are genocidal? That they aren’t as good or nice as the Jews and therefore they don’t deserve sympathy when a jerk calls for their removal? IThe only thing I can extract from this is that you think killing them is bad, but hating them–even the innocent ones–is fine and perfectly justifiable. I’m trying to figure you out.
And those are some lame-ass points. Next.
Yes, we’ve already established the “Muslims deserve it” theme to your posts in this thread. We’ve now also demonstrated that you don’t understand the purpose of analogies. I don’t think there’s really anything further that needs to be covered, is there?
Let’s be honest. Mr. Deady’s doesn’t hate Muslims because of female circumcision or Dafur. Those things happened for years without people saying nary o’ peep. He and those commentors hate Muslims because of 911. The other stuff is just icing on the cake.
If taking innocent lives justifies hate and calls for extermination, then no wonder people hate Americans and want to see us die. Some crazy people steal some commercial jetliners and kill a few thousand people. Some other crazy people drop a few thousand bombs on an entire country, killing tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands). One is called terrorism. The other is called “shock and awe”. One is supposedly an act of evil, the other is praised as a bold, fully justifiable act of war, the fist of freedom and liberty and democracy. I just don’t know. Islamist cultures do have some horrid things to account for, but America–in this place and time–ain’t no angel. We have no right to be taking some moral highground and acting like the world’s sole enemy speaks Arabic and prays to Allah.