Liberal, if you’re not mentally competent to infer the correct meaning of my posts, don’t bother responding to them.
mswas is the one who has made all the generalizations about Muslims in this thread. Never once have I generalized (“All the Muslims I know” is not a generalization). Do you think mswas has met enough Muslims to be able to talk about them the way he has? Why aren’t you addressing your batshit craziness to him?
Okely dokely.
When was it proven that they were “active combatants” against anything? You do realize that’s a completely meaningless designation, don’t you?
I agree with Monstro that the Muslim hating dynamic in the US right now is vfery much like the early days of Nazi Germany. I honestly believe that a large percentage of Americans, probably a majority, would whole-heartedly support a final solution against Muslims and would enthusiastically join right in with building the death camps. A frightening number of Americans seem to believe we’re on the verge of an endtimes battle against Islam. It’s pretty scary.
A few thousand nutjobs from the other side of the world are not a threat to the US or to the world. The religious zealots with political power in the US are a far greater threat to the world than Islam ever could be.
Oh, please. What evidence do you have of that other than your own desire to paint Americans as Nazi equivalents? Here is a series of polls concerning American’s thoughts about “terrorism”. I don’t see anything there to support your thesis.
Spend a few minutes reading the Freeper site. That’s how Americans really think.
Not a very convincing argument.
BTW, I’m not sure what you mean by “early days”, but maybe you do literally mean the first few days of Nazi rule. Hitler came to power in Jan '33, and by April of that year Jews were barred from many of the more well paid professions. The first concentration camp was also begun in 1933. The Nurenberg Laws were enacted in 1935. But thanks for Godwinizing the thread!
How do Canadians really think? Maybe I’m one of them and don’t know it.
A few thousand? Not a threat? Tell that to the 21st century Jews of Israel.
Really? You are American aren’t you? Your self loathing is not healthy.
Piffle.
The voices of a group with a specific bent that spend hours pretending that they are engaged in great moral battles is not “how Americans really think,” (particularly when they admire Beavis and Butthead as much as GWB).
That is just one loud element on the internet and if most of the Americans you know in real life sound like them, you need to get out more.
A billion Muslims in the world, and they don’t have the power to threaten the world, and never will?
Well. If I were Muslim, I’d be insulted.
Godfuckingdamnit. Can we have a sticky on “female circumcision”/female genital mutilation please?
I have, for what feels like the twentieth time, to point out that FGM, while prevalent in some Arabic and African Muslim societies, is cultural, not religious, and is also present in Jewish, Christian, and animist cultures, predominantly in east Africa.
Cite.
That’s exactly what the Free Republic assholes would love us to think. They try to convince themselves and the world that they’re True Americans, that they speak for the majority. But they’re wrong, and you’re wrong.
I think there’s a very scary, quite substantive minority in the U.S. that would happily expunge all non-Christians from our borders. They backed Bush but think even he didn’t go far enough to force their religous agenda on the world. They’re behind the Huckabees and other religious ideologues running for office.
But they don’t speak for the entire 85% (or whatever the current percentage is) of people who identify as Christian. Most people who identify themselves as ‘Christian’ don’t wear their faith as a shield against the big bad secular world. They celebrate Christmas and Easter and otherwise go along their lives without thinking much about their religion – just as most modern Jews celebrate Passover, Rosh Hashanna and Chanukah and then go merrily along eating ham ‘n’ cheese sandwiches for lunch.
Anti-muslim bigotry is absolutely reprehensible and a definite problem here. You can see it right in this thread on the allegedly enlightened SDMB. But acting as if most Americans are actively or even passively hoping for a Muslim genocide is counterproductive; it’s so ridiculously, patently over-the-top that those making the claim are risking drowning out the reality of the danger with their noisy static.
No, her analogy is just stupid. It’s pretty simple.
monstro I consider a systematic genocide to be a non-negotiable point when resembling ‘the holocaust’. If there is no systematic genocide occurring then the analogy is ridiculous.
Well genocide is a form of ethnic cleansing, but not all ethnic cleansing is genocide. What the Israelis, Jordanians and Egyptians did to the Palestinians was ethnic cleansing, but not genocide. If it were genocide, well there would be no Palestinian problem today. You have provided a good example though.
monstro I never made any Muslim generalizations based upon the Muslims I know. I stated what is easily verifiable, that in the Koran Mohammed called for violent conversion as a tactic when the Muslim population is strong, and dissimulation within the populace when the Muslim population is weak. It’s not a generalization, its in the Koran.
https://www.melbourne.anglican.com.au/main.php?pg=news&news_id=2014&s=1041
Don’t keep your mind so open that your brain falls out. Jesus made one or two metaphorical statements about dividing people with a sword and people beat that to death as evidence of Christ’s call to arms. Yet, he never engaged in real violence. The most violent thing he ever did was physically throw money lenders from the temple. Mohammed went out and conquered vast tracts of land, and his successors for the next couple of hundred years did the same. The President of Iran has talked about how he knows personally and is awaiting the return of the Madhi, a 1000 year old warlord who will lead the Shia armies against it’s enemies. As crazy as Bush sounds, I have never heard him talk about how Jesus was his buddy and was ready to lead them against the armies of the unfaithful. If you can’t see a difference between awaiting the Mahdi and government funding for faith based initiatives your critical thinking skills are suspect. I have argued before, that Ahmadinejad is just Khameini’s mad dog, meant to mirror Bush, like Khatami was meant to mirror Clinton, and that Khameini himself is not batshit, but to pretend like radical Islam is this closeted fringe idea is naive.
As for the rabid Evangelicals, well when they start putting Muslims in box-cars, I bet it’ll likely be Evangelicals fighting the fight to free them. It was Christians who led that fight during the Underground Railroad and Civil Rights, and it will most likely be Christians again. Of course that history is completely irrelevant, as everyone would prefer to imagine Evangelical Nazis hiding under the bed. I doubt you know enough Evangelicals to base a real opinion. If the Fascists took over here, I’d trust the Evangelical Rednecks to fight the good fight more than multiculturalists who would rather hate their own countrymen than recognize a Totalitarian ideology in a foreign religion.
Yes, we should have freedom of religion, but the purpose of freedom of religion is so that we can have a free debate and decide what morals we think are best to govern ourselves with, not so that we will be blind to the injustices committed by others in the name of their holy book.
Tamerlane I have heard that it is against both Christians and Muslims, that the work against the Christians was pretty much done, and that it was Arab Muslims vs African Muslims now. I admit that I might be wrong, but it’s wrong regardless of who the victim group is.
Free Republic is not what Americans ‘really think’ any more than the Daily Kos is what Americans ‘really think’.
The presumption of innocence applies in the courtroom, not on the battlefield.
I disagree. Spend some time watching The Simpsons to see what Americans really think, or don’t think, about. Well, watch any of the first 10 years of the series, at least.