Got mine this morning. Happy to do my part for the rest of the herd.
The person claiming that hospitals are releasing the flu vaccine into the air is a crazy person.
You may actually be putting yourself at unnecessary risk here.
If you think your immune system over-reacts then you may well be at much higher risk of dying from flu.
I can only imagine that you are lucky enough never to have had flu. I’ve had it three times now and it is a very useful means of calibrating all other common illnesses. When you’ve had it you realise all too clearly how and why it kills thousands.
It is by far the most debilitating condition I’ve had and once experienced you’d never moan about “a couple of days mild to moderate symptoms” again.
Younger daughter has respiratory issues. Winter and spring are very bad times for her. We all get the flu shot.
Slightly off-topic, I don’t remember if I got the flu as an adult but I did get whooping cough three years ago. That was the worst that I’ve ever been sick as an adult and it went on forever. Hubby caught it too. In the beginning, we didn’t know what it was and we were doing our best to keep younger daughter away from it since we were both pretty sure that she would end up in the hospital and we were really worried about her prognosis. Both kids never caught it- they had current vaccines and ours had expired.
When confronted by ignorance and misinformation, one can do one of three things:
- Ignore it.
- Fight it.
- Help spread it.
In the future, it would be nice if you would do less of #3, and at least try to do #1.
I try to understand it, what the fears are, what the root is, and typically try to deal with the underlying issues, which often are unrelated to the cause at hand, and were the most progress can be made.
Presenting scientific evidence rarely works against emotions I have found. Typically it is as ineffective as someone saying you have to be baptized or else you are going to hell in getting someone to convert to Christianity, actually less effective.
Acceptance of the person and their beliefs are the only way they can be expected to accept yours. Respect gets respect.
Yeah, I’ve been to psychic fairs-where everybody “respects” everybody else, and no two answers are the same. You don’t learn jack shit that way.
I had mine, just the standard shot in the arm. The only time I’ve ever gotten sick from it was one year, when I got the nasal mist. I have regular sinus infections anyway, my sinus are just always on the brink of mutiny, and I got proper sick after the nasal mist. But the arm shot has never bothered me.
I got mine as always. I figure that it’s hit or miss if they make the vaccine for the particular bug I might be exposed to, but if they guess right and I have the right stuff to not get what I’m exposed to, then yay for me. If they guessed wrong and I get sick anyway, I’m no worse off than if I hadn’t gotten the shot. I think it’s a bet with no downside.
If that works both ways, and you accepted their input, hook, line and sinker, what information did you impart to them, and did they accept it?
That’s not exactly wrong, but it isn’t the way I would phrase it. It reads as if the virus had a mission, a plan to carry out…an intent. When viruses are very deadly, it hurts their ability to spread. Best for a virus if it just gives you a cough so you spread it, but you feel good enough to go to work and infect all your co-workers, and if it does kill you, it is best if it does it slowly, like HIV.
But yes, that '18-'19 virus did produce an immune system over-reaction in healthy individuals which caused high mortality. I’d save the “used the victims immune system” for things like HIV, that actually do take over parts of the host’s system to use for virus reproduction.
I got mine as usual. As usual, I have absolutely no side effects from it. None. I have a co-worker and SIL with compromised immune systems. I work at a large university with people stacked upon people. The university provides the shot for free. I would have to be a real horse’s ass to refuse the shot under all those circumstances.
And I’ve had the flu three times. That ain’t no cold.
Are these REAL healthcare professionals that you can verify in the real world or do they just play nurses on Facebook? Any “professional” who believes that a facility can spread the vaccine by spraying it in the air probably got their degree by sending in $20 and three Dr. Bronner’s labels to Phred’s Phantastic Holistic Woo Palace and Med School. You’ve seen their commercials on daytime tv (Act now and get our 20 piece Ginsu scalpel set. BUT WAIT! There’s more)
Then you missed the point and the magic IMHO. It is not to accept their beliefs but to accept them as theirs. Also to accept we may not have everything and to ponder the interaction and evaluate if they have something to add to how we may view things. Can it help us and does another perspective on life have value to our own.
The Spanish were quick to impose their view of Christianity on the native american population, could they have learned something of value but accepting their culture.
And what does your general knowledge and critical thinking faculty say about this?
What do you believe the hospitals motivation for this would be? And why would everyone continue to administer vaccines by injection if they can be given by inhalation?
Well, its pretty easy to look up the rate of serious adverse reactions to vaccines - about 3 per million doses. We can also look up the number of deaths to the flu in a years in the US. Quite spiky, but averaging about 30 000 in a year, so about 1 in 10 000. So on the face of it, you seem to be roughy 30 times better off taking the vaccine.
That is not entirely accurate though, because this only considers flu deaths and not serious complications, which we used for a comparison base with vaccines. So this underestimates the benefits of the vaccine. Also, it only considers your personal odds, and does not include your chances of endangering children, sick or elderly if you do not get vaccinated.
Stats from the CDC
You are not talking about people having their own beliefs though. You are talking about people trying to have their own facts.
It is fine to have different beliefts on the soul, the origin of the universe and the meaning of life. It is not fine to insist that your belief is that your child should not wear a safety belt in the car and is in fact better off on your lap while you drive, and insist that your belief should be respected.
Also, there is no “Pro-Vax” side any more than there is a “round-earth” side opposing the people who believe the earth is flat. There is a general knowledge side, and a small group of people with outlandishly different ideas entirely at odds with science and maths.
Myself, I get the vaccine every year. Quite asides from the severe discomfort and danger of the flu itself, I just don’t have two weeks to spare off my job at the end of the year. By my very rough mental calculation a 3 in a million chance is just about equivalent to the odds of a fatal accident in a 4 hour drive.
You can’t steer your life around avoiding odds like that.
Smoke and mirrors-we are talking about facts, not religious beliefs in this thread. Speaking of which, when you say they were hospital workers, what positions did they actually have?
I learned that the ‘crazy’ one had their mother die following the best advice of medical science. That wound has not healed, and is the root of her mistrust in the flu vaccine. That is the root, the anti-vax stance is just a symptom. Her having peace with her mother’s passing is more to the ultimate goal then getting her to accept the flu vaccine IMHO.
But if you know her and want to say that they must have the flu vaccine or else humanity will suffer for her sin as she will burn in hell forever for it, go ahead, as that is how she would view it, as equally dismiss it as you would. She is operating on a emotional level and that is how she is viewing things.
Operating on emotions =/= ignorance; Operating on emotions = human. Unless you are willing to deal with that you are not fighting ignorance.
What the fuck does that have to do with the question I asked? Are you responding to a post from another thread? Your second paragraph bares no relation whatsoever to anything anyone, including myself, has said in this thread.
No way I’m getting the flu vaccine again. Last time I had the shot, I got autism for a whole month. Not going through that again.
They are idiots or terribly misinformed.:mad:
I didn’t used to get it because I don’t care about myself, but I finally realized I was putting others at risk.
GET THE SHOT!
Seriously, effectiveness is not the only factor. Unless it is completely ineffective, you have to consider the risks and the cost. Both are very low for flu vaccine. It’s probably worth the lives saved (and yes, the flu kills some Americans every year, even without an epidemic of a particularly bad strain) and health protected.
Keep someone with whacky views talking and usually they will reveal that they are absolutely crazy.