Produce (fruits & veggies) question

I’ve mentioned it before on this Board, I always thought Kohlrabi was a medieval Jewish Talmudic scholar/philosopher/writer.

Shellfish have been on the menu for a while.

Researchers excavating a cave on the southern coast of South Africa discovered a bowl’s worth of edible shellfish dating back to about 165,000 years ago, when Africa was colder and drier—pushing back the earliest known seafood meal by 40,000 years.

A couple folks mentioned strawberries just being bigger, but IME those are usually a cross of Fragaria virginiana and chiloensis, from North and South America, respectively.

They don’t run away or bite your face off. Easy protein.

Let us consider the “three sisters” of corn, squash, and beans.

Corn - obviously not.

Squash and Beans - hard to determine as they have been domesticated for centuries. But I’ll say “close enough”.

I wonder if the question ought to be framed as (italics are my addition):

What fruit or veggie that I might find in my local grocer’s produce section most closely resembles its pre-cultivated/ unaltered-by-humans (i.e. domesticated) state?

I’m not sure nopales are cultivated in the sense of a domesticated plant; they’re just something that grows wild all over Mexico and the SW US, and is just harvested.

My guess would be some sort of tree nut like pecans. The domesticated ones are considerably larger and thinner shelled than the “wild” ones, but they’re essentially the same otherwise.

I remember reading that most tree-based fruits and nuts are not domesticated; we get the more developed versions (bigger fruit, interesting varieties, etc.) from grafted shoots over the centuries. So wild versions of those fruits and nuts would tend to be more like their ancient varieties.

The logic was, especially for nuts (the tree products, not the farmers) that the life cycle of the trees was too long for concerted selective breeding to have significant results, particularly for slow growth items like acorns and chestnuts. Plants that reproduce in a season are much easier to selectively and continuously pick the largest/best for replanting and slowly overwhelm their tendency of being diluted by being pollinated by surrounding wild varieties.

Yes, there is some selective breeding of nuts these days (hazelnut breeding is especially active) but a lot of the commercially available pecans were selected from wild trees, and propagated by grafting. So they are exactly like the best of the wild nuts that were around prior to cultivation. I don’t remember where i ran into it, but i read an article about the guy who first recognized the commercial potential of the native pecan and selected some. (A Black man in the south. I think it was an article mostly about unrecognized accomplishments of Black people in America.)

Speaking of eating shellfish Wikipedia has a section devoted to mounds of seafood shells left by old settlements:

squash has many species , and they are hybridized to make suitable ones to grow in more locations, but keep the flavours and other properties.

For example, the “pumpkin” in the shops in Australia are green ? because the orange ones won’t like the conditions, green skin pumpkin is a hybrid of squash species into order to get pumpkin flavour (and colour of the starchy food part ) in a green skinned squash. “Grammar” is an older not-quite-pumpkin flavour of squash. Maybe grammar is closer to wild versions ?

Chayote/Choko may be the fruit closest to wild, but that may be why might not even be in your local shops !. Because there isn’t much diversity to the wild versions, there’s only some slight change, and thats in the skin colouring, and there is little benefit in trying to engineer a new variety … it already grows well in a wide variety of climates and conditions, produces good yield, with a bland flavour (no need to dilute the flavour )… and no direction for any benefit, it suggests nothing will result from trying. (you’d sooner combine two gourds that have flavour… so as to get it to produce a mixed flavour or a new flavour. )

Somebody needs to do something with hicory nuts. The meat is great, but getting to it is very difficult.

Looks like “pumpkin” is used as a generic term for squash in Australia. I see orange-colored squash are in fact grown there and also jack o’ lantern type pumpkins, though the latter don’t ripen at the right time for Halloween.

We have both.

This is what we call a squash - seems appropriate to the shape!

What USAns call butternut squash we call butternut pumpkins, yes.

We get Jack-o-lantern pumpkins in the stores at Halloween, even though that event is a fairly recent import here.

Other common pumpkins locally are the Japanese and Queensland Blue shown here:

So… Do you call a zucchini a squash?

I grew up distinguishing between summer squash (like zucchini, and that thing you’ve pictured) and winter squash, like butternut. I’m guessing you call all the winter squashes “pumpkin”.

No, we call them zucchinis :smiley:

Your post jogged my memory. Rocket, when sold in the UK, is commonly described as “wild rocket”. Here’s a pack - inevitably google photos has cropped the image, and managed to hide the relevant part, but click on the photo to see the full image.

Google Photos

This naming practice always struck me as weird. Maybe the claim is simply that it is the (wholly) unaltered wild plant, albeit (presumably) commercially grown.

j

ETA - sometimes editing the post solves the problem with photos
ETA2 - not ths time.

For those USAns who have no idea why jet propulsion devices got into a culinary discussion, the American English name for this is “arugula”.

(Hadn’t seen anyone draw the equivalence in the thread yet.)

scallions, leeks, chives and chivey things

I was also thrown off by “rockets”, but I recognized the plant from the picture. Here it’s called Rucola. I’ve heard arugula before. Now I’m curious what it’s called in Italy. I’ve always thought it came from there.

Well, I learned something today.

er - make that two things?

( :wink:)

j