I agree, although the first chunk of the OP focused on denigrating the credentials of sometime critical of MW increases.
A fair point.
Automation does replace jobs, and it is strongly correlated to wages. In many of the automotive related plants I’ve dealt with, the rule of thumb was that if a station can be automated for 1-1.5 times annual labor cost for the station, it will be. So if the labor cost rises, more jobs will be in danger of robotic replacement. That said: many jobs cannot at present be automated, and even some that have been, are being un-automated. Customer service functions, for example.
Also, there is a steady progression in cost reduction of automation. Meaning, for many positions that can be automated, it is only a matter of time before it is economically advantageous to do so, even without labor cost increases. So if your job is going to disappear anyway, might as well push for some money in the meantime.
I take issue with the notion that the market should determine wages. First, labor is different from a banana. It involves deep emotional issues, like dignity etc. Second, we have some info on what wages for the disadvantaged would be if unregulated - we can look at what illegal immigrants are paid, for example. Or interns. Or we can look back at the late 19th and early 20 th century. We can, and in my opinion should, decide as a society that it is not ok to employ people for a pittance. Living in a society where a significant portion of the population is desperately poor would be very unpleasant, in my opinion, and I’m ok with some redistribution so I don’t have to deal with that. Last, I don’t believe that improving skill sets is feasible for everyone, or would by necessity improve the lot at those of the bottom of society. I don’t believe that the way out of their situation is within their control, or they would in fact get out of it.
Is it? Well, next time you are sick, why don’t you ask the pizza delivery guy what HE thinks the diagnosis is? His opinion is just as valid as a real doctor, isn’t it?
Not sure. I gave up listening to plebs after the “Joe the Plumber” fiasco. I’m sure you follow his every word or something, since his opinions are just as valuable as everyone else’s right?
This may be the fundamental disconnect between a lot of people. Some people, like myself, believe it IS within their control. Some, like yourself I guess, believe it is not.
Is it easy? Of course not. A lot of people only do easy stuff, and then bitch about not having “made it” in life.
That’s not how science works. An opinion is not inherently valid, especially based on credentials. If the argument is poor then show why it is poor and another is superior. Appeals to authority are for those who cannot understand the subject matter.
I didn’t say an opinion is inherently valid. I said it is inherently invalid, until proven otherwise.
Sobbing personal stories about how “I’ve looked in my wallet for 30 years and I’m still poor that’s how I know the system is bad” do not make a convincing argument.
I agree the OP has much work to do to make a convincing argument. I have provided some supplemental reading.
except nobody said that. but it sure is easy to say shit about someone instead of addressing his points. :dubious:
and your argument appears to be only someone with a job you approve of is entitled to have an opinion. WTF is wrong with you?
From the OP:
(bolding mine)
Seems pretty clear that the OP believes everything he says is true, not based on any “research institute” findings, or any sort of “fact finding”, but simply because he has no money in his wallet after 30 years.
I simply find a sob “I’m poor so rich people suck” argument to be woefully lacking in any substance. I equally find that thousands-of-word diatribes about how to fix the US Economy and help the entire country’s middle to low class people less then credible when coming from someone who probably developed their theory, not in college or through scholarly research, but while putting slices of meat on uncooked dough.
He can have any opinion he wants, doesn’t mean it’s not a stupid one. Or do you think everyone’s opinion on any topic is valuable? WTF is wrong with YOU?
Like you, I’m not particularly fond of other people’s posts with hyperbolic “colorful” language — I prefer straightforward diction with reasoned arguments.
Unlike you, I try to avoid wallowing in pretension by answering hyperbole with worse hyperbole
Unlike you, I try to avoid deliberately misconstruing posts in order to invent false insults about a poster.
Thanks Obama. :mad:
The occupations of the two have zero effect on the argument. It’s true or false, or whatever scale is appropriate, regardless of that. If it wasn’t, after all, we’d have some serious probability questions to solve on those occasions when they agree.
A blatant ad hominem attack on Askthepizzaguy AND an appeal to authority in just 34 mostly-single-syllable words! Congratulations on this outstanding feat of illogic!
I don’t see how relying on an actual medical doctor for a medical diagnosis over the opinion of a pizza guy is an appeal to authority, but you go on thinking that. Better than the appeal to poverty that I see so often on this board.
And this is the Pit, I can spray ad hominems over anyone I want. Besides, single syllable words are all some of you can understand, 'cause you are so poor and stupid! derp derp!
Why should anyone listen to you when you haven’t put in the effort to become a multi-billionaire? If you’re not swimming in an ocean of cash, you’re not worth listening to, so fuck off, you poor excuse of a human being.
Joe The Plumber was stupid because he was stupid, not because he was a plumber. Dismissing ThePizzaGuy just because of his similar social standing is kind of stupid, don’t you think?
Of course it’s stupid. It came from you, a lowly plebe who hasn’t lifted himself up to a billionaire. Get cracking on that and until then, quit polluting the internet with your working class nonsense.
When I start spouting off about what I think would fix the country’s economic problems based on ideas derived from my extensive study under Mr. Joe the pizza maker, then you would have a point.
Besides, how do you know I’m not a multi-billionaire?
The phrase “Bloody cunt fuck” doesn’t work. “Bloody” is such a mild expletive that it undermines the “cunt” and the “fuck”. Also, it doesn’t roll off the tongue like a good profane phrase. “Fucking cunt”'s OK, but overused, “cunting fuck” works well. You need to be a bit more creative with your cursing.
I’m a Brit, and while we don’t have an Empire, or much industry, the thing we do still lead the world in is creative profanity.
I’m a Brit too, and I think you’re modifying the wrong segment. “Bloody cunt fuck” is one thing, but “bloody cunt fuck” is another. Using the literal rather than the expletive meaning does intensify the expression.
Agreed on how it doesn’t sit too well on the tongue, though. Uh, literally or expletively.