And this thread makes me wonder again (I asked something similar in GD, but the thread got closed) what exactly those who hold the OP’s opinions want us to DO with that billion Muslims and the hundreds of thousands here in this country. What laws do they want to pass? Who do they want to bomb or otherwise go to war with?
No. Only those liberals that make fun of said groups are xenophobes. The liberals that don’t generalize any group aren’t. See?
Muslimia, of course.
Given how dangerous it is, I’d have thought that satirising the central tenets and personalities of Islam would be seen as the ultimate form of punching up.
clearly, I was berating modern liberals, not what liberals were 10, 20 years ago, when I could’ve been called one, since I do support gay rights, the environment, controlling assault weapons, which back then was enough to be considered one. But now, in 2016, it seems that online, you have to exhonerate Islamism and hate Israel to truly be a liberal/progressive. Oh yea, and I do think welfare reform and the death penalty for 1st degree murderers is good, hence why the Bill Clinton Democrat, aka DLC/Third Way label still stick. Bill also honoured Israel more than most modern liberals, including Obama.
see, my problem with the mentality that its always and categorically wrong to punch down and right to punch up, which sounds like “always side with the underdog” is that what happens when the side that was previously an underdog becomes an overdog? Does the leftist switch sides for whom they’re rooting? How could one pick a sports team, and athlete, let alone a nation, country, a society, etc. in a conflict?
If he’d screamed “America, Fuck Yeah !” would that have made it American terrorism ? If he’d screamed “Fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me !”, would you demand (unspoken, nebulous, no doubt retarded) action be taken against Rage Against The Machine, and all of their fans ?
Yes. A better term would be “terrorism in the name of America”. The guy would accurately be referred to as “The American Terrorist”.
Yes I would. Especially if it became a global problem like Muslim terror jihad is.
No, not at all.
A native arabophone, particularly Muslim who says Allah Akbar during situations like that this is not making any particular statment of religiousity or motivation. It is like you Americans bursting out “Jesus Christ” - it says nothing very much about the person’s motivations (or maybe by this standard the American army we can consider them Christian crusaders…). As it happens in the case of Nice it is probable that this failing person in the moment of the personal crisis seized on the DAESH takfiri propaganda, but in the end his case is not different than your constant stream of school killers, the fundamental behind this type of person is the mental illness contra the Bataclan group.
Or I am become an Islamist Terrorist (trademarked) because I said Allah Akbar when a car had an accident in front of me…
(well of course I know for the islamophobic bigots of your type this is automatically true)
Apologist must be understood to mean those “refuting your constant stream of bigotted half truths and lies” that you emit over so many of the subjects, including those around the Islam (but also about the other areas where your fearful cowardice arises, like about the transexual issue, a communist plot it can be understood).
You are a disgusting bigot, a two faced cowardly promoter of exactly the bigoted hatreds and the half truths in the faux politeness that has seen the basis of the bigots to commit the genocides again and again.
Of course everyone should keep in mind the moral compass of this worthless person, who asserted it was fine to atomic bomb the civilians of the japanese cities to ‘save them’ from the Soviets and communism - of course in his usual style of the half-truth and the omissioin, it was the Americans who pushed the Soviets to in the last minutes even go to war with the Japan… creating his moral excuse. Either gross ignorance or more likely grotesque fear driven excuse making for any action at all.
so it doesn’t mean anything at all that in nearly every ISIS video, they’re screaming specifically “Allahu Akbar” as they carry out their deeds? Ditto with other terrorist groups and incidents for decades. Or that during the terrorist Iranian Revolution, the supporters of the Ayatollah could be heard screaming it while the protests went on. Your comment is as crazy as claiming “jihad doesn’t really mean holy war.”
I was also referring to yelling “Allahu akbar” while committing deliberate malicious acts or helping evil things, not accidents.
You wanna hurl insults? Fine, I can do the same; unlike you, I don’t apologize for evil, like Radical Islam, and I don’t put my head in the sand as thousands of people are brutally murdered, tortured, maimed, honor killed, stoned, beheaded, etc. nor do I condone the America-hating terrorist Palestinian shit of the Earth, who cheered on 9/11, who blow themselves up, hijack planes, manipulate the world, aligned themselves with evil communism during the Cold War, and I don’t join in the other Islamists, communists, and both who love the Terrorstinian anti-Israel cause too.
That’s pretty impressive; my monitor is spittle-flecked from the inside.
No, my Dear Bigot Liar Scum Transphobic, Allah Akbar is used in a deliberate fashion.
Just like the phrase Jesus Christ said in a political video statement can be different than the exclamation “Jesus Christ” said in a moment of great stress.
For people who are not the Lying Bigot Scum this should be easily comprehensible.
For you of course you are the active liar and distorter promoting bigotry and hatred, and running away from the falsehoods you are constantly caught in, as a lying coward promoting hatred and bigotry.
Whatever your bigotted hatred of the Palestinians it is uninteresting expression of your personal hatreds.
I assume you’d perforce then also be OK with people branding all Americans as terrorists on the strong basis of that evidence, opining confidently that the problem lies with your holy texts (that tree of liberty quote, tut tut), or demanding that immigration of Americans everywhere they may roam be halted at all costs, just in case you see ? Hell, maybe we should do that anyway. *Actual *American foreign policies have caused more senseless deaths around the world than Islamic terrorists could ever hope to achieve, so…
And Derek, the Nice incident was not “the global Muslim terror jihad”, you idiotic chucklecunt. The guy wasn’t religious, didn’t go to any mosque, drank alcohol, ate pork, did drugs, did not pray, did not observe Ramadan. He certainly wasn’t in contact with any madrassah or organization. He had a history of violence and depression, lived alone and withdrawn, and he had recently lost his job. This was likely a disturbed nobody with problems in his life, blaming everyone else and doing something horrible in response to that perception. Nothing more, nothing less.The fact that he was culturally Muslim has nothing to do with any of it.
Mon cher, i am okay with the Islamophobes claiming the non-praying detested by his own family Tunisian criminal drug user as an Islamist Jihadist if any and all Americans who kill and who ever say Jesus Christ or went to the Church ever are properly called Christian Terrorists, no more apologies for their mental illness or other troubles. The planned parenthood killer, the racist who shot the black churchgoers can be fairly then categorized on the same intellectual standard.
It doesn’t *exclusively *means that, no. Far from it.
I never said all Muslims are terrorists, but it is undeniable that Islam is the most commonly cited religion among terrorists around the globe, that a greater proportion of Muslim-majority countries are backwards and repressive than proportions of countries with majorities of other religions, and that of the different types of immigrants, the ones most likely to have such views in a militant way (as in condoning passively or actively promoting) are Muslim immigrants.
Typical communist America-hating tripe. America has liberated more people than any country in history. Who raped German Nazism and Soviet Communism again?
And for the clarification - the only statement for ignorance removal - on the use of the phrase “Allah Akbar” (God is the greatest or God is great) is that merely using the phrase in this situation says nothing about a personal motivation in the case of a native arabophone.
It is easy to see for example in the case of the Syria by example, the videos of the secular side soldiers also doing the crying out of “Allah akbar” in the combat stress. The phrase in itself is not different from the way the Americans (not even beleivers personally) tend to cry out Jesus Christ in the same situations.
To take the standard, then we must conclude that merely someone saying Jesus Christ during a police stand-off or mass-shooting event must be a Christian terrorist (of course in our own culural context it is not likely to be noticed, just like in a local arabophone context we wouldn’t think of it - but someone exclaining “Jesus Christ”)
(this is an observation for the native arabophone, like our Franco-tunisian who grew up per the reports much of his live in the Tunisia, it may or may not be the case of the non-arabophones cases, but here I am confident as it is my own Franco-maghrebine cultural context)
Crazy in our very stupid Lying Bigot hater = “actually knowing the langauge”
Of course Jihad is nothing more than the standard verbal noun - I think it is the ing form in the English - of the very simple basic verb, “to make an effort, to strive, to struggle with something” (JHD, jahada)
In ordinary language - every day language - we use this verb and its forms.
The word means “a struggle, an effort.”
In the religious context it is the struggle, the effort, so there is the Inner Stuggle or the Greater Effort for the internal improvement, and there is the lesser and the outer - which is the meaning for Just or Holy war. This is established for over a thousand years.
But of course actually knowing the real Arabic and the actual langauge and usage does not matter, it gets in the way of your fantasy claims so you can believe yourself part of the Great White American Jihad to be the Great White Cowboys saving the world…
How do you plan on proving all of that, you lying sack of dung?