Project 2025 is more than a playbook for Trumpism, it’s the Christian Nationalist manifesto

I tend to agree with your assessment. Trump lost by a decent margin in 2020, and since then has descended to greater depths of crazy, saying and doing dumber and more embarrassing things, not to mention his legal troubles. While all the chaos excites the base and they are vocal and visible, I think there are many, many voters turned-off by his hijinx, even among the right-leaning.

There is another thread here discussing Project 2025, and I think there are links over there to articles discussing it. There is at least a link to the wikipedia article, which presumably has the actual document outlined. From published articles about it, I think we can get a decent picture of what the intent is without having the document itself?

Sorry to make this about Trump and not the playbook. I don’t believe the country is actually swinging to the right on everything. For example, recent ballot measures that would make an abortion harder are being shot down across the country. Even a conservative state like Alabama realizes when it’s own Supreme Court has gone too far.

The Christian National Manifesto is just an attempt to document the not-so-hidden agenda of the Far Right. I don’t think anybody thinks they can actually achieve everything they want. Eventually, SCOTUS justices will die, and at least some will be replaced by liberal judges to balance things out. I’m confident the pendulum will start to swing back sooner or later, and we just have to be patient.

The Christian Right is pushing for this now because they see an opening with a SCOTUS leaning their way and a willing presidential candidate who desperately needs their votes. It shows clearly how electing the wrong person president can have such catastrophic consequences.

Unless they pull a Merrick Garland every time a vacancy happens.

As long as Democrats can maintain control of the Senate that shouldn’t happen again. They have to get their voters to go out and vote.

That’s a pretty big ‘as long’, especially if this ‘silent majority’ you speculate about is composed of many conservatives who still shpport Republicans, just not Trump.

You mean like in 2016, where there were almost 11 million more votes cast for Democratic senators than Republican ones, but because the Founding Fathers in their infinite wisdom rigged the election, we still had a solidly Republican Senate?

Between the fact that the method of electing senators is heavily skewed towards Republicans, and the fact that so far Republicans have been willing to play games with judicial appointments while Democrats have not, I really do not see any reason to be optimistic about the makeup of the SCOTUS becoming more liberal. My guess is that it will continue to become even more conservative.

If the prospect of the out in the open desire of ‘’‘conservatives’‘’ to turn the country into a Christo-fascist, Atwoodian, nightmare isn’t enough to do it then what is?
Add into that the idiocy of not supporting Democrats because they aren’t saying (or doing, despite an opposition that makes it impossible) the right things about insert their personal hobby-horse here.

If what conservatives are saying out loud isn’t enough to get out that vote, then . . . fuck those voters.

If the game is so rigged then why play it? Get a work visa and move to Canada. Maybe you’ll find things more to your liking up there, but remember to bring a heavy jacket with you.

Because I live in California and the craziness of the Federal Government has only a limited impact on my everyday life?

Not that easy. In fact, not easy at all.

AIUI, California is subject to the same federal laws and regulations as every other state. For example, if SCOTUS upholds a federal law banning abortion it is banned throughout the country, and that applies to California too, unless California decides to secede from the union, but that didn’t work out too well the last time somebody tried that.

For me, probably impossible.

Certainly impossible for the majority of the population of the USA (see, popular vote results) to do so. I’m sure Canada would slam the doors shut if a tenth of us tried it.

So far, they haven’t done so; they only removed federal protections preventing red states from passing draconian laws.

If that were to ever change, I would hope the blue states grow a spine and use theor significantly larger populations and economic power bases to take back control of the country. I don’t think the many, many millions of California or New York would just bend over for theocrats from Arkansas and Wyoming, if those theocrats were actually telling New Yorkers and Californians what to do. It’s one thing to stand up to them trying to create The Handmaid’s Tale in Y’allistan, it’s quite another for them to try and force that on the rest of the country.

The last time around didn’t go well for the backwater reactionaries clinging to an outdated social and economic system.

It’s not impossible, and I know a few techies who were able to do it. At least one of them now has dual citizenship, but you have to live in Canada for five years to apply for it.

If someone really feels that the US is a hopeless case then moving to Canada, or somewhere else, before Trump gets re-elected, assuming he does, might be a good idea. If the Democrats take control of the Congress and White House AND a the right SCOTUS justices die, they can always move back.

I don’t think the majority of Americans are MAGAs. MAGAs are a very vocal minority. If we can keep them from getting elected to local, state, and federal office eventually the tide will turn. It has in the past, and will continue to in the future.

What’s to worry about? It’s not like the right are publicly calling for the destruction of democracy in America, oh wait…

I didn’t say it was impossible for everybody. I said it’s impossible for me. And for a whole shitload of other people.

How about they stay put at least until the election, and vote, instead of saying ‘I was able to leave so shits to be you’?

Again, you don’t just “move to Canada”. It does not work that way. You need a work visa to work here, and these are not just handed out. If you’re not in a skilled worker category, it’s very difficult. If you think you’re going to Montreal, you’d better check the specific Quebec requirements. If you’re over 45, you get ZERO points in the age category. If you have only a high school education you get 28/140 points in that category.

See here for the points system for entry:

When I was 21 I was arrested for DUI. I think that is enough for Canada to deny my even visiting.

Near as I can tell I racked up 175 out of 1200.

Plus which I have no money.

That’s what I said. I suggested they get a work permit. I never said it was easy, just possible. You obviously didn’t read my earlier post.