Kimstu
September 3, 2022, 2:05am
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I keep wondering that myself. Hell, we’ve had threads seriously arguing against gay rights little more than a decade ago right here on this board, using the same sort of arguments for their heteronormativity that the transphobes are using now for their cisnormativity. (No poster names quoted, to protect the not-so-innocent.)
The definition of marriage as “one man and one woman” is pretty foundational, and goes back to the common law. […]
Our society was founded on marital monogamy. Not bigamy, not polygamy, not gay marriage. These others are, or have been, right out. […]
Marriage is a relationship in which the sexual union, by no means the sole purpose of the relationship but an integral part, nonetheless, can and under natural circumstances will, result in offspring. […] Gay relationships do not and cannot produce offspring. They, by definition, are not equal in value to society. […]
It’s a definition based on biological relations, which is a common frame of reference. […] Words mean things. […]
A priviliege cannot be defined legislatively until it is defined lexicographically. And for the purposes of our country, we have for its entirety defined the word marriage as a union of one man and one woman. […]
I’m arguing that marriage is a right if you [meet] the requirements. Which gay relationships do not. […]
Gay people can form relationships of any scope, it merely is not the same as that of marriage. It cannot be.
Hell again, shortly after that we had a thread seriously arguing against acknowledging adoptive parents by parental titles:
Actually, the kind of adoption in which people take a completely unrelated child and make the child legally “theirs” is NOT pretty universal […] Throughout history, children were cared for and raised by people other than those who gave birth to them, but rarely was the biological history altered. […]
I don’t understand why their simple act of wanting to father a child or [gestate and] give birth somehow translates into the right to claim they have done those activities. […]
I have always considered gestating and giving birth the definition of female parent. Male parent is the one that provides the sperm. […]
My colleagues have considerable negative opinions about adoption. At best, they would consider this woman to have stolen a child […]
Several adopters seem to feel that because they support a child they should be called a parent. […]
I cannot fathom how transphobes really can’t hear themselves using exactly this same kind of arbitrarily rigid linguistic prescriptivism to make their case against trans rights.