Where has anyone miss-stated your name? They’ve made a joke off your name, but they have not called you “Novelty Bubble”.
“sealioning” is a bullshit concept, it is code for “I can’t back up the claim I’ve made so let’s just label your reply with a meaningless pejorative”
I started that way, Others took exception to me pointing out that someone was purposefully mis-spelling my name.
Then we agree.
Who is being self-congratulatory? I have no preference. Use what you want and what makes you feel comfortable. gendered pronouns might matter to you but they don’t interest me in the slightest. If it matters to you and you aren’t trying some bullshit power-play then I’ll reciprocate.
Sure they can. you could use my name (if you can be bothered to spell it correctly). In the current hiring practices I’m involved with we purposefully go through the whole process without ever using gendered pronouns and it isn’t a struggle at all.
How do you know that that was the intention? I wondered if the person in question had merely mis-stated it or they had another reason. You seem happy to assume there was another reason.
As for more generally, sure. I suspect there is some way of searching the boards looking for that mis-spelling of my name and my response to it. It has definitely happened many times and I’m absolutely not bothered by it. It the intent is malicious or childish then it would.
Lol
Nobody could have arrived at any point without following the talking points distributed in the TERF newsletter.
Nope, I can still clearly detect when people are hateful bigoted assholes.
I can also think TERF and other jargon is stupid and unnecessary without disagreeing with the arguments being made with that jargon.
Correct, but since those attacks are already plainly criminal in almost any jurisdiction shouldn’t the focus be on education and creating a more accepting environment?
How do you propose to prevent such hate crimes?
Nah, it means “You can’t rebut the fundamental reality of what I’m claiming, so you’re going to relentlessly nitpick superficial aspects of it and pretend that that proves I’m wrong”.
I’m not arguing that the term “sealioning” is never misused at all, but it definitely has a valid meaning.
You are, by boastfully declaring in post #379 that you “refuse to get involved in” pronoun specification, and policing whether somebody who asks you for your pronouns has a “valid” and “relevant” “reason for wanting to know”. Way to make life more difficult for somebody who is just trying to make sure they are respecting other people’s pronoun preferences. 
If somebody ever does (politely) ask you what your preferred pronouns are, and you politely respond that you don’t have a preference and whatever they want to use is okay, then fine, no problem. If you make any more of a deal than that out of it, though, you’re just being tiresome.
You prove my point by providing a definition that bears no relation to the concept as originally intended.
#379 isn’t my post. but if you mean my original post then it isn’t boastful, what is there to boast about?
Intention’s got nothing to do with the fact that they weren’t talking to you, but about you, and in a mocking way. I’m pretty sure it was intentional. But it still wasn’t calling you by that name.
Making fun of someone by miss-spelling their name in the Pit is not the same thing as intentionally using the wrong pronouns for someone. Not even close.
I mean we are talking about our resident champion of the Inalienable Right to Use the N-Word [for research purposes of course], so why does it surprise anyone that they are more fragile than a Bubble and more pretentiously worthless than a Bauble.
I thought they’d be busy advising the new PM on policy though, rather than dealing with trivial slights on an obscure message board.
That is a lie that you keep repeating, it never gets any truer.
Honestly, I think she (@Novelty_Bobble) is just trying to make some bullshit point about people who prefer a particular pronoun. I mean, how could she care more about someone making fun of a screen name than someone calling her “him” or “them” to her face?
And, I think the poster she was complaining about was probably making an honest typo. I read it as “Novelty Bubble” most of the time.
I AM the poster being complained about and it was not a typo. Nor is my use of passive voice here unintentional.
Ah. I don’t really get how Bubble vs. Bobble is somehow a putdown, but you do you. For the record, I will accept any chocolate-based nicknames.
You REALLY don’t get it.
No, I was making the point that I don’t care about what pronouns people use for me.
I don’t, A look back at the incidents of name mis-spelling would show that.
Either that or admit that they don’t understand how the English language works.
Or, sorry, I misused none pronoun. I meant to say, “Either that or admit that none don’t understand how the English language works.”
For what it’s worth, I believe you.
It’s the same as white people who don’t see the big deal about racial or ethnic slurs because “You can call me honkey or cracker or whatever and I don’t care.”
It’s the same as straight people who don’t see the big deal about a certain gay slur because “it’s just a word”.
It’s like people with traditional European names not seeing the big deal about mis-pronouncing foreign names.
You probably don’t care about someone calling you by the wrong pronouns because it a) probably never happens and b) the person probably didn’t mean anything if they did.
That isn’t to say you don’t have preferred pronouns. You’ve just never had any reason to care about them.
…and yet: Aspidistra is here in this very thread, deliberately mis-gendering their niece, wishing they had legal permission to literally stop somebody else accessing gender-affirming care, and you haven’t said a word about them.
We clearly have a hateful bigoted asshole amongst us. But the problem apparently is we are calling that hateful bigoted asshole a name.
Is it just stupid, though?
Or do you think that it is hateful, dangerous, bigoted hate-speech?
Because there is a difference in scale here. I think we can give stupidity a pass. But I don’t think we should give people a pass on hate speech.
So where do you actually stand on this? Is mis-gendering merely stupid, or is it hurtful and hateful and bigoted?
I want you to read this Twiter thread.
The TLDR version: six years ago a 9 year old trans child was proud to be featured on the cover of Time. A few days later the harassment began. That included name-calling. Cars outside the house. Doxxing. Constant and on-going harrassment. Every single detail of their lives, documented in a thread just like this on a public message board followed slavishly by thousands.
One would think that this was plainly criminal behaviour in almost any jurisdiction.
But read the thread.
It went from the local police to the FBI. International agencies got involved. But nothing could be done.
They were doing this to a nine year old. NINE.
And this wasn’t an isolated case. Go look at the Twitter account of any transgender person online right now. They all have a story. Nine years of continuous harassment all over the world. The police did nothing. The politicians did nothing. The press were too scared to cover the story.
That website got taken down finally this week because a very small group of transgender activists publicly made themselves targets, finally raising enough awareness and putting enough pressure on the hosting company to finally get something done. But it wasn’t because “those attacks are already plainly criminal in almost any jurisdiction”. It was because after nearly a decade of stalking, doxxing, and harassment somebody finally fought back and didn’t stop until it was done. It was because a company stock prices were crashing.
You clearly know fuck all about this subject at all. You think the authorities care about any of this?
The person I spoke about in the original post, the one who got doxxed and swatted, moved into a hotel where she got doxxed, had to change countries and got doxxed and swatted again: in the original swatting the police woke her up at gunpoint, treated her as a suspect, confiscated her computer equipment, and constantly mis-gendered her while she was detained.
Why don’t you show us how that is done, Librarian?
Aspidistra is here in this thread. Convince them that they should stop mis-gendering their niece. Show us all how its done. Open up a thread in a more polite forum than this. Show us the way.
Or perhaps try looking up the now-closed JK Rowling thread. That went well. It was (from memory) in IMHO. People did try and focus on education and creating a more accepting environment. That…didn’t last.
But perhaps you know a better way, please proceed.
They want to make it illegal to socially transition. They want to make it compulsory to call trans-people by their dead names.
What part of “the lawmakers are also doing this” are you not understanding? Did you think when I used the words “cultural genocide” I was exaggerating?
When someone says something like “I would VERY much like to have LEGAL PERMISSION to try to prevent the same thing happening with Person B”, what exactly do you think the real world implications of that are? Because where I come from, that’s called conversion therapy.
This goes beyond whatever petty squabbles you think this is all about. They don’t want trans people to exist any more. That’s the bottom line. If you are getting the vapours because one side is using a bit of jargon you feel is stupid and unnecessary then you are fundamentally not understanding what is happening around you at all.
And the thing about TERF is that it is a neutral term. The only reason that it is derogatory is because of the people associated with it.
They can change the name all they want, but it will still refer to hateful bigots.
Where does the Talmud deal with such a thing? Not talking about the subject of those who are genital-ambiguous from birth (I’m very familiar with the Talmud dealing with those who we would now refer to as intersex), nor about Midrashic statements of Dinah the daughter of Jacob having been turned from male to female in the womb, but of someone born unambiguously genitally male becoming female later in life, or vice versa?
I thought that was neatly addressed by the title of the thread: I’m not in the habit of engaging with trolls or hateful bigots. [Serious question: why isn’t that account banned yet?]