The same.
Of course, being from central Ohio I know we don’t have anything like an accent.
The same.
Of course, being from central Ohio I know we don’t have anything like an accent.
Here’s me reading that list. Definitely not all the same in my accent. There are two main vowels occuring in these lists: the ɑ sound (aah) and the aɔ diphthong sound (aww).
The most common variations between my pronunciation and that of other Americans is in the aww formulation:
• some of you pronounce aww different from how you pronounce aah but you don’t do it as a diphthong but instead pronounce the aww as a pure ɔ
• others among you pronounce aah and aww the same, and that “same” is apparently either ɑ or a
To me, it sounds like you are saying “pawl” and “lawl” for “paw” and “law”
Except for the lack of an actual “l” consonant at the end, you mean? Yes, the vowel portion is exactly the same as how it would be if there were a trailing L in those words. For example caw (the sound a crow makes) has the exact same vowel sound (for me, in my accent) as the word caul does. And paw similarly matches the vowels in Pall Mall.
No, to me it actually sounds like you are pronouncing the “l” consonant at the end.
I concur. I hear an “l” at the end, too. Maybe this is one of those Laurel/Yanny things.
They’re talking about “Received Pronunciation” as British RP. The posh British, basically. That’s why there are different pronunciations listed. Other accents may differ from both RP and the one they use for American, usually called GE.
I get what you mean. I think it’s a /u/ or /w/ offglide, which is close to the dark [ɫ] sound we have after vowels in English.
I hear AHunter3’s pronunciation of “paw” as /pɒʊ/ and this is a diphthong I’ve frankly never heard in an English dialect before. Learn something new every day. He only says it in open syllables. In closed syllables (followed by a consonant) he pronounces it /aɔ/ as he has noted. That’s another new diphthong for me. Fascinating. From Georgia, are you?
As I mentioned above, people don’t actually pronounce letters at all. People pronounce words, and letters are used to represent those words in writing. The issue is that English has over 20 vowels, and only five vowel letters. The spelling conventions which represent the various vowel sounds we make are not consistent, so even though different letters may be used in writing, it does not necessarily represent a different pronunciation.
Also, these threads are problematic, in my opinion, because I strongly suspect that the way posters will pronounce isolated words that they are reading in a discussion focused on those words, while they’re preoccupied with pronunciation, might not necessarily be how they actually pronounce those words in the context of everyday speech, when they’re not thinking about it.
Yep!
I agree: ɒʊ is actually closer than aɔ