Well, maybe angels don’t understand the concept of “legs.” They fly around with long white gowns on, and some of them are only baby-heads with wings sticking out of their necks. They probably spent the first few days going, “Fly, lady—what’s the matter with you?” while her legs were freezing off.
> So, given “B”, any possible “A” that may explain “B” must be true.
Change “must” to “might” and you are absolutely correct.
> I must be God. How else do you explain the fact that I am
> wearing a blue sweater?
Well, many people do believe that God exists in everything and everyone. Your statements fit with those beliefs.
In other news, it turns out that Jesus Christ is also Satan, but he now prefers to go by the name Douglas Fathke.
Hydro, I just gotta bitch about the thread title. As one of the worthies herebouts said, “proofs are for geometry.” At best, this story could be called “support” or “evidence” for angels, and even that’s stretching it- hypothermic hallucinations are poor evidence by any standard.
Does this story “prove” humans don’t need to eat or drink? I don’t know why WND ran the “frostbitten idiot has a vision” report and not this one…
Heck, any specific incident doesn’t prove a damn thing, but if we’re going to wildly speculate, I prefer the explanation that humans are rugged (such ruggedness a result of thousands of generations of natural selection) over the notion that creatures commonly known as angels are watching over a few randomly-selected individuals unlucky enough to mangle themselves in car accidents.
Whoops, the unlucky individual in this specific incident was actually injured in a fall, not an auto accident. Well, no matter.
No harm done? I attribute at least 99% of the world’s problems to belief systems that fly in the face of reality.
Gee, I think I’ll start believing that if I kill a lot of infidels, I’ll go to Heaven, surrounded by olives and virgins. No harm done.
I don’t see how the angels could have kept her warm anyway…what, with them running around in trashy lingerie, parading around like a bunch of slu…Oh. Different angels, right?
you’re only saying that cuz the angels told you to.
Yeah, I can see it all now. What girl? What is it? (angel remains silent.) What? You want me to follow you? (angel remains silent, but nods.) Okay, girl, I’m coming…
True Blue Jack
Inasmuch as angels do not possess physical bodies and therefore presumably do not possess genitalia, then obviously there can be no fucking angels. However, non-fucking angels remain a possibility.
Everybody chill out! I’m just being a smartass!
You don’t see how angels running around in trashy lingerie can keep you warm? That’s the saddest thing I’ve ever read here.
Well then, being an angel doesn’t sound like much fun. And besides, where do all those little cherubim come from?
Dead smurfs?
I have a real concern for stories like this as suggesting God (or his angelic staff) is highly selective and only marginally competent. Supposing the story to be veritable (not merely an account of what she believes she saw, but accurate reportage of what did happen), why could not the angels have cranked up the heat enough to keep her from requiring amputation? As others have noted, why could they not alert a believer (even in the à la Lassie scenario) to where she was?
But the other side of the picture is that the same degree of interpreting the story to fit one’s worldview is being taken by both sides of the “what really happened” debate. There is abundant historical and legendary evidence of angelic apparitions. Granted that no angel has decided to put in an appearance in a well-equipped physics lab to be studied, there are at least sufficient sightings to elevate the concept beyond monster-under-the-bed to a level with, say, the Nandi bear.
In short, what I’m saying is that the only valid verdict one can render here is a “not proven” – *assuming * the non-existence of angels and then discounting an account of an angelic apparition because there are no angels is nearly as poor science as denying evolution because it doesn’t match with (one’s interpretation of) a Bible verse.
I will grant that hallucinations and sensations of warmth do often accompany hypothermia in non-angelic-intervention instances, and that there is more concrete evidence of these phenomena than of angelic interventions. But by what criteria can we hope to conclude that the former and not the latter is the only proper explanation in this particular instance?
I have no problem with believing the account as stated.
The sensations of warmth when one is close to dying is from spirit leaving the body. At this point seeing Angels would be common. People who are in trouble often are visited by Angels or Light Beings who help them through the ordeal. History is full of such accounts. Why she had to lose her legs is unknown to us and not up to debate.
http://www.edconrad.com/lifeafterdeath/index.html
The above link is about miners trapped for 14 days in a mine, and their experience with Angels and such.
The reason most will deny the story is lack of knowledge about spiritual things. Religion and/or science: neither is equipped to teach the spiritual, it can only be experienced.
Love
Good post Poly.
For the record, the sense that there are other persons or beings present is not unheard of in other cases of extreme physical endurance (I think Shackleton reported that he seemed to be aware of an ‘extra person’ during the last trip to get help).
Polycarp
Given the magnitude of the claim I think some clear untampered photos might be a good start. Till then I think it only reasonable to fall back on Hume.
No, the reason most will deny the story is lack of evidence.
C’mon everybody, say it with me: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Without evidence, we can rely on Occam’s razor. Never multiply entities beyond necessity. Can we explain what happened without requiring angels? Absolutely. Does this prove that the woman wasn’t visited by angels? No, but it does make it very improbable.
Because if they did act in ways that couldn’t be explained by science, you won’t have to have faith to believe in angels. There would be good evidence for the existence of angels, so everyone would have to believe in angels, and therefore nobody would have free will. Didn’t you people learn this stuff in Sunday School?