However, there are individuals throughout Jewish history who are known to be descended from David. One example is the medival commentator Rashi (1035-1100). One would simply need to be able to show descent from one of these people. (N.B. Descent from Rashi does not qualify as he only had daughters).
Alternatively, there is a Jewish tradition (based on the second-to-last verse in Malachi) that Elijah the Prophet will return before the coming of the Messiah. He will know who is descended from David and who is not.
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This probably refers to the ‘War of Gog and Magog’ in Ezekiel 38. However, see my note below.
Yes. Today there are Jews all over the world. Part of the messianic mission is to gather them all to Israel.
In any event, I should bring up another point mentioned by Maimonides. The writings of the prophets are vauge. As such, no one knows for sure how it will all turn out until it happens. As such, such points as the order that things will happen in, nor the precise details of these events are articles of faith. As such, different Jews may have differing opinions about how these events will occur.
BTW, at what point in this thread were you refering to the Jewish messiah? You titled the thread “Proof of Jesus,” you asked a question about the return of Jesus in the OP, and you responded to JThunder’s answer where he was clearly talking about Jesus.
In which case, to paraphrase zev, you shouldn’t have titled the thread “Proof of Jesus,” you shouldn’t have asked about the return of Jesus in the OP, and you should have clarified matters in your response to my statement where I was clearly talking about Jesus. With all due respect, of course.
A question about Elijah - I know that part of the bris ceremony involves the recognition that this child may be Elijah, so is it fair to say that Elijah’s return will be a spiritual one (such as that of the Dali Lama) rather than a physical one? IOW, the physical body of the Elijah of Biblical times is dead and gone by now - does the predicted return of Elijah need this body to be resurrected somehow or is it the spirit of Elijah dwelling in another human being who will return?
Not quite. I think you might have it a bit mixed up.
At the bris, an unoccupied chair is left next to the sandek (the person holding the baby). The chair is left there for the tradition that Elijah is present at every bris. There is, to my knowledge, no tradition stating that a future baby will be Elijah.
As Alessan pointed out, Elijah did not die. It is presumed that his return would be a physical one.
But FIRST, the antichrist must come on to the scene, confrim a 7- year treaty for Israel and to allow it to have animal sacrifices again.
7 years later, Jesus will return, and He’ll be pissed.
One of the strangest movies I saw was titled Pi. It dealt with a guy using a computer and the Fibonacci numbers to divine the stock market future. Then it got mixed up with some people that use numerology and the Talmud to divine the true name of God (I think it was supposed to have 32 letters).
Do people really do this? And do they also try to divine and hidden meaning as to the messianic prophecies?
Thank you - the tradtion that I had heard was that the newly circumcised baby was placed in the empty chair in recognition that they might be Elijah…
Reform tradition? This was in South Africa, so local custom? Sephardic and Ashkenazi traditions? Or someone talking out of an orifice usually reserved for something else?
Really? I thought that he just cured those that had faith. So that means that all major diseases disappeared? And most people didn’t even know who to thank? Does that mean that all major disease has appeared on the planet after his cures?
No actually I don’t. A quick search brought this quote up from Luke 6:6-10: “And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other.”
I only said he (according to Christian doctrine) cured the most serious disorder, not all of them. (I actually meant death, not sin, but since the two are so closely interwined in doctrine, eris’ answer is not incorrect).
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