There are no ancient non-Christian accounts of Jesus’ alleged resurrection. None. There are only a few fleeting mentions of any kind about him. The five words you quote from Josephus says only that he was called Christ. I suppose that many modern Christians think that the term “Christ” has something to do with resurrection, but it doesn’t, it just means that he had oil poured on his head. Neither Josephus, nor Tacitus, nor Pliny says he was resurrected.
Aha - never heard it called that. Thanks.
Past threads: Why do you believe that Jesus was physically Resurrected?
Discussion of mythicist position here: Was Jesus Real or a Myth? I originally thought the hypothesis of the mythic Jesus was ludicrous; discussion at this board has led me to upgrade it to improbable. In other words, I can’t rule it out but I think other scenarios are more likely.
As for the OP, the earliest Christian documents are the letters of Paul: they precede Mark, which precedes the remaining 3 gospels. I would start there. Mark can be dated to sometime after the fall of the Temple in Jerusalem, which occurred in 70 CE, about 40 years after Christ’s death.
More generally, a nice documentary describing contemporary archeological and scholarly investigation of very early Christianity is From Jesus to Christ. The linked website also has some good background materials.
Some of the gospels are estimated to be from around 70CE. If a disciple was ten years younger than jesus, he could have been around 60. That is not unheard of in the ancient world – I think Socrates was over 70 when he had a cocktail. But it is very unlikely that any of them actually wrote the text. They might have, maybe, attested to scribes/historians, but those are probably not their actual words except, possibly, as transcribed.
It really should be the Schliemann Fallacy . . . but then in addition to explaining why finding “Troy” doesn’t prove Homer’s Iliad or Virgil’s Aeneid (and to a sadly increasing audience just what Troy, Homer, Virgil, the Illiad, and the Aeneid were) you have to explain who Schliemann was . . . and more difficultly, how to pronounce Heinrich Schliemann!
CMC fnord!
Krishna, who was an avatar of Vishnu, was killed by a hunter who mistook him for a deer.
Doe!
Too be fair, Lewis also wrote his own version of Christ’s death and resurrection that was much more kickass than the original.
Okay, my point stands. Whether or not it’s a creed says nothing about its historical accuracy.
You did not offend me personally.
Then why aren’t they called Christians?
I’m not surprised. However, it is considered such by some people.
“Messianic Jews” are the only group of Christians identified not as “Christians” but by their former religion/ethnicity (or even the religion of their ancestors, as in my experience their children and grandchildren are likewise called “Messianic Jews” rather than the Christians they are). Why single then out? Why not make them full members of the Christian community? Why are they rejected as Christians and given a different label?
I’ve seen black people call themselves and other black people n*****, too, what does that prove? Both terms are offensive.
Then why isn’t he a Christian rather than a “messianic Jew”? Do you have "messianic Buddhists? Messianic African-Americans? No - only the former Jew is set apart and made other. Jews who convert to Christianity are not allowed to be Christians by all too many Christian sects, including yours apparently. Which is ironic given that the first followers of Jesus were Jews.
But not as Christians, apparently, only as “messianic Jews”.
It baffles me why a Jew would convert to a religion that doesn’t allow them to be a full member but always and ever “the former Jew”. But then, a lot of what people do baffles me.
What do you think the ability to perform this or that supernatural feat proves?
As far as I can tell, the Bible you hold up as a true account mentions a number of supernatural feats. Consider the Old Testament: Moses and Aaron appear before Pharaoh, and as commanded by the Lord the stick-into-snake bit happens; and then “the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts: Each one threw down his staff and it became a snake.” Then we get the water-into-blood bit; and then “the Egyptian magicians did the same things by their secret arts”. Then there’s the bit with the frogs; and then “the magicians did the same things by their secret arts; they also made frogs come up on the land of Egypt.”
Consider, too, your New Testament: aren’t we told, in the Book of Revelation, of a false prophet, and recovery from a seemingly-mortal wound? You know, the part that goes “…whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast”…?
So what does that demonstrate? That, according to your religion, the power to do miracles in general — including triumph over a deadly wound in particular — proves nothing, and so can be (and is) used to, uh, deceiveth people?
I could go on, but the number of examples is hardly the point; the point is, isn’t there a Bible passage specifically warning that there may arise among people a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, who shall giveth a sign or a wonder — and who should be rejected anyway, because the fact that he can perform this or that wondrous feat doesn’t actually establish his bona fides?
As per the Bible, didn’t people point that out about Jesus?
You have not presented anything that could not be far more easily and logically interpreted as mundane human occurrences (i.e. witness errors, transcription errors, or deliberate deceit).
Untrue.
Although this statement is proof that you have not studied other religions outside the Abrahamic ones and are ignorant on the subject.
I just wanted to build on what I’d just been on about:
Imagine a devout Christian, maybe one who knows the Bible by heart. Imagine, too, that he comes across some guy who claims to be the god Hades — or the son of the god Hades, or the high priest of the god Hades, or some combination — and who is proclaiming to a crowd that Hades is a mighty god; Hades, he says, is the brother of Poseidon: the god of oceans and earthquakes. Hades, he says, is the brother of Zeus: the god who casts thunderbolts down from the sky.
Imagine that proclaimer gets his head lopped off or something, and his beheaded body picks that head up and keeps carrying on like before. Heck, maybe it’s more impressive than before; maybe he’s floating a few feet off the ground now? Anyhow, he declares that all people should pray to Hades once a day — and should declare him the brother of the god Poseidon and the god Zeus; and should add that Hades is the one true ruler of the afterlife, and that Jesus was a blasphemer — and he talks about how folks should start tithing some of their income to the Church of Hades that’ll start building houses of worship in cities across the world, and so on.
Let’s say that eyewitness testimony of this gets documented — not just of the people watching it on live television, but of those who were there — but, again, let’s say too that the Christian in question was there and saw the whole thing in person; what is the prescribed response of a Christian who sees such a thing?
“Clearly an act of Satan to test our faith to the one true god.”
Fairy tales? Myths, yes. They don’t have the elements of fairy tales. “Fairy tales” seems a little derogatory here.
Potato, pohtato. Doe, deer, female deer. 
Actually, he was writing to Trajan for instruction to make sure that he was properly handling judicial cases of people accused of being Christian.
Suetonius is another who is quoted, and his quote is a total misinterpretation. He was writing about an agitator named Chrestus and everyone thinks he was talking about Christ. Given the events that he was writing about, the assumption that it was Christ is rather foolish.
Why aren’t Senators called “Congressman/Congresswoman” as appropriate?
Which people, and why?
They are regarded by Christians as full members of the Christian community. They’re not rejected, any more than people are implying Senator Heitkamp is a second-class member of Congress when she’s not addressed as “Congresswoman.”
There’s a Buddhist belief in a messiah? Do African Americans who aren’t Christians have a holy book that refers to a messiah?
Name one. Seriously, if many Christian sects don’t allow Jews to be Christians even when they convert, you can name one.
Compared to the way you’ve grotesquely twisted things here, a pretzel looks like a straight line.
Speaks for itself.
As a gentile (tho I do have 2% Ashkenazi DNA), I’ve seen a fair number of incidents of disdain and derision from other gentiles, aimed at the “messianic Jew” or “Jew for Jesus” contingent. Comments like “they’re still jews” (NOT said in a good way), and “too late, they should have converted sooner” have been heard more than once, often from my extended family.
YMMV but that’s something I’ve seen. Casual racism is strong in my part of rural America.