Heck with that-only the One True Quetzalcoatlus is truly worthy of worship and veneration (plus with that razor sharp 3 foot long beak you aren’t exactly going to be arguing)…
Thanks for the link. I will view it when I have time.
Huh. That’s something I’ve never run across, in nearly five decades as a born-again Christian. (Quite the opposite!)
Of course, until this past year or so, anti-Semitism had been a thing of the past in the circles I’ve traveled in. (And I’d notice: my father was Jewish.)
Without the dubious honor of encountering these people myself, I’d be unable to say whether they’re more “we accept you as Christians, but go to the back of the bus,” or “you’re a fucking Jew, converting doesn’t change that, we hate you either way.”
(ISTM that Broomstick was talking about the former, rather than the latter.)
I seem to recall “Jews For Jesus” as being a Christian organization that promotes the idea that it is possible to be both a Jew and a Christian at the same time, using Jewish symbols and “explaining” how they are really Christian symbols. There is nothing sillier than seeing a Christian minister dressed up like his idea of a rabbi. There is a good article about their methods here.
Well, its also critical that Jews accept Jesus as the messiah - otherwise, he’s just another wannabe - its marketing.
Works for me. But the thing is, if the OP agrees, then I’m at a loss as to why proper documentation of eyewitness testimony is such a big deal: if it wouldn’t cement the divine bona fides of a wonder-worker who is seen triumphing over death to preach the worship of Hades or Poseidon or Zeus or whoever, then — well, then, why would it be important to establish whether Jesus came back from the dead?
If we grant that, as you say, a supernatural feat can be the act of another entity, then I’d see lousy documentation as lousy evidence that anything interesting happened; but really terrific documentation would prove — what, exactly?
They have said exactly that (not all, but some) - when faced with the fossil record or the lack of evidence for a global flood, etc - its all a ‘test by satan of our faith’
and its exactly the connundrum they face -
If someone goes on TV today claiming a burning bush spoke to them - they get called crackpots and delusional - but they accept the word of a 2000 year old manuscript ‘because’.
If same book was published today - it would be ignored.
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I feel like I need to read Half-Asleep in Frog Pajamas again just now, since it starts on Good Friday and runs across a weekend, with backstory padding.
I think we could accept the Jesus story on the basis of intervention by advanced extraterrestrials who were able to restore his body over a day and a half (why the fuck does everyone say 3 days when he was crucified on Friday, taken down at sunset and released from his tomb on Sunday morning), and that could also explain the tribes in Mali who have a celebration of Sirius every 50 years when there is no way that they could have known that Sirius is a binary system with a 50 year cycle.
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I think Jesus rose on the third day of the Passover celebration.
Yeah, about that-extraterrestrials are probably not the most likely source for what the Dogon tribe actually believes.
Indeed, John was the youngest Apostle and tradition says he lived to a great age at Ephesus. 80 & 90 yo men were not that rare.
Well, since Jesus only showed up to Christians- and one Jewish gentleman who converted- that is rather to be expected, eh?
Indeed, that is the current consensus, that John dictated his remembrances. Which were edited by his followers.
But do note, very few people wrote their own stuff back then, they relied upon scribes and secretaries. Caesar was considered unusual in that.
Was it only Christians that saw all the zombies shambling towards town?
Well, they are, but most of them still follow the Jewish dietary customs, etc, and dont often go to a mainstream Christian Church. They also refer to themselves as "believers’ not Christians. I know a few, out in Santa Monica, and they do NOt call themselves Christians. They use the term “maaminim”.
There is indeed a whole wiki article on the movement, and no one else thinks using the term is Anti-Semitic. It is the proper name for the movement:
Messianic Judaism is a modern syncretic religious movement that combines Christianity—most importantly, the Christian belief that Jesus is the Messiah—with elements of Judaism and Jewish tradition,[1][2][3][4][5] its current form emerging in the 1960s and 1970s.[1][2][6][7][8][9][10][11]
Messianic Judaism believes that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and “God the Son” (one person of the Trinity), and that the Hebrew Bible, Old Testament, and New Testament are all authoritative scriptures.[12][13][14][15] Salvation in Messianic Judaism is achieved only through acceptance of Jesus as one’s savior,[8][13][14][15][16][17] and Jewish laws or customs which are followed do not contribute to salvation.[16][17] Belief in the messiahship of Jesus, his power to save, and his divinity are the defining distinctions between Christianity and Judaism.[18][19][20][21][22][23] Other Christian groups usually accept Messianic Judaism as a form of Christianity.[24]
Many adherents of Messianic Judaism are ethnically Jewish[25] and argue that the movement is a sect of Judaism.[26] Many refer to themselves in Hebrew as maaminim (believers), not converts, and yehudim (Jews), not notzrim (Christians).[27]
So, you are completely, utterly wrong on this.
“I just traveled with The Son Of God, then watched as he was crucified, and was amazed when he rose from the dead to talk with us right before he was lifted to Heaven! I think I’ll wait until I’m so old I can barely remember the details to get it written down…or maybe I’ll just leave it to the next generation to do it-I didn’t write anything down, but I’m sure they will remember my tales accurately.”
In what possible way does this make any sense?
Because there were already several other accounts, and of course the Q document, but Johns disciples likely talked him into it. Not to mention Christianity was actually taking off as a movement. In any case, he may well have been talking to his disciples all along but they waited until he died to publish. Really, you should learn something about the formation of the New Testament.
Anyway, that is the current consensus among Scholars.
No doubt. I mean, Adam lived to like 900 or something, and Sara didn’t give birth until she was 90. How do I know this is true? It’s in the Bible.