Pseudoscience that became Mainstream?

Medicine is an example of a field where there are all sorts of nonscientific ideas, if there’s a field with more pseudoscience I’d be surprised. And so you’ve seen a term of art arise in the last few years: “Evidence based medicine”. It’s not enough to say “Product X cures cancer!” You have to ask, “What makes you think Product X cures cancer?” Product X may or may not cure cancer, but unless you can show people that you have good reason to believe it cures cancer, Product X is pseudoscience.

And there are lots of such beliefs in medicine. For instance, episiotomies used to be routine. Until it was shown that they don’t help. So why did doctors do them? Because it just seemed logical that they would help, only it turned out they didn’t. And so the standard of care is now different.

Again, this is a completely false use of the term pseudoscience. If something in science is shown to be wrong later on that does not make it “pseudoscience.” Everything is science is sooner or later shown to be wrong - or at least inadequate in light of later learning. Does that mean all of science is pseudoscience? Ridiculous.

Pseudoscience is based on properties that lie outside of scientific investigation. Bad science is simply misunderstood, insufficiently understood, or poorly invoked science. There is a line that needs to be crossed before pseudoscience turns up its ugly head.

I’d also strongly deny that Mesmerism qualifies as a pseudoscience that became science. Mesmer was considered to be a fraud in his lifetime. The scientific establishment of the time rejected him and his bizarre claims of moving magnetic spirits around. Instead, real scientists realized at the time that suggestion could create these affects without resort to nonsense science.

So how does this qualify?

This is also how pseudoscience gains credence. People toss around half-remembered claims and stories instead of doing any research into the real history. The real history of science is long and messy and often extremely boring. Tidying it up into a paragraph distorts its reality.

I agree that just because something is shown to be incorrect doesn’t make it pseudoscience.

I’m saying that there are a lot of treatments done in medicine that are done without any evidence whatsoever that they work. That’s pseudoscience. Not that there is evidence that later turns out to be incorrect, but no evidence.

It’s easy to dismiss crystals and chakras and magnets and so on as pseudoscientific treatments. But my argument is that there are lots of less obviously pseudoscientific treatments that are currently the mainstream standard of care just because we haven’t been able to really test whether they work.

I would say the medical use of leeches, although they’re being used differently nowadays than in the past.

But leeches aren’t used for the same purpose they were used in the old days.

They used to use leeches to cure an imbalance of humours. If you had too much or too little blood, bile, phlegm, or choler, you’d be ill. And you could correct the illness by restoring the balance. But since adding any of these fluids was difficult, and removing bile, phlegm and choler was pretty difficult, removing excess blood turned out to be the default treatment for all sorts of things.

Modern use of leeches to remove excess blood is done for completely different reasons.

ETA: Of course, you do say that they are used for different reasons. So yeah.

Do you have any specific examples in mind? Also, I think it is important to remember that if a practice is done in current medical practice and evidence comes out that it has no value, the practice would be dropped. That is the key difference between science and pseudoscience. Nothing is going to make pseudoscience proponents lose faith in their chosen hypothesis.

How about the alchemical belief that other metals could be transmuted into gold? The people who believed this studied a body of knowledge with many of the superficial trappings of science, such as gathering copious amounts of data and trying to form generalised hypotheses. But what they did was generally pseudoscience rather than science, as they had highly dodgy paradigms with a distinct lack of evidential basis.

They turned out to be right in the end, for reasons they could not have foreseen. They were right by accident, which seems to me to be the only way for a pseudoscience to become science.

There are also doctors that accept chiro as a specific type of doctor and therapy. I have a spinal fusion that has caused my to regularly go to an ortho guy, the undisputed best in Seattle, Dr. Stan Herring, and he recommended chiro and it did some good, not a huge amount but noticably. The he also strongly urged my to go get Rolphing done and the results were just shy of amazing. The best thing I’ve ever done and still do for my back.

Rolphing is still considered pseudo and I started this way back in 1985. Rolphing has the dubious distinction of being in the Skeptic’s Dictionary:

http://www.skepdic.com/rolfing.html

I third the idea along with many others. Here is a list of ideas that were ridiculed or resisted or rejected at the time but later accepted. The one about the guy

http://amasci.com/weird/vindac.html

many the same on this one but a few extras, especially Ernst Chlandi, the guy with the meteorite theory.

http://caccphysics.cacc.cc.al.us/phy-webpages/Ridiculed%20science%20mavericks.htm

phrenology, economics, meme theory? i don’t get the op.

Once while visiting Atlantis I was hypnotized into thinking that ear coning was scientifically supported but later, while on a vision quest, I had my horoscope read and it turns out my shaman doesn’t believe it to be true.

I’ll be back with a definitive answer, I’m going to consult my Ouija board…

I guess you’ve convinced me that I was too strong to label this sort of thing “pseudoscience”, because you’re right that as evidence arises ineffective treatments do get discarded. If they really were pseudoscientific then evidence against them wouldn’t matter.

Yeah, ulcers will do that to you./

Cecil, on chiropractic

Chiro seems to fit the bill for what the OP was looking for: was founded in quackery, but has since grown (at least as practiced by some) into evidence-based medicine.

Actually, IMHO, given that the Many-Worlds hypothesis makes no testable predictions and is therefore both unfalsifiable and useless, I categorize it as pseudoscience, not real science.

There is still some confusion about the idea of pseudo-science. I have long used the following, and it is close to a more accepted definition. The issue is that there are actually three categories, not two. The missing one is: non-science.

Non-science is an assertion that is based with no reasonable underpinnings. In the extreme this can include revealed truth - truth as revealed by a higher entity, or some form of philosophical axiom. My favourite example is the structure of the heavens as dictated by Aristotle. He asserted that the heavens were built from spheres derived from the five platonic solids nested within one another. Indeed a large part of his metaphysics was derived from a set of axioms that amounted to little more than a desire to reflect naive ideas of mathematical perfection into the structure of the universe.

But non-science comes in other areas. I would argue that homeopathy, chiropractic, new age crystal wavers, and all these, are non-science. They claim a scientific status that is wholly derived from some revealed truth. The truth may not be questioned, and the non-science derives from it.

Pseudo-Science is different. Its hallmark is that it initially looks like ordinary science. But it has a curious habit. It starts with a core hypothesis. But in the face of contradicting evidence, the core hypothesis is not disproven. Rather it is added to. New special cases are added to the theory. So whenever an experiment is done, it either validates the theory, or, rather than disproving it, it is used to extend the theory. Pseudo-Science was the driver for Karl Popper to develop his work on science, and in particular his notion of the falseifiable hypothesis. He was particularly concerned with Freudian psychology and Marxist political theory. Both of these claimed a scientific basis, but both suffered from this key flaw. They would never advance a hypothesis that was ever testable properly, because they would always modify or add to the theory in the face of contradictory evidence.

Which brings us to the classical definition of a true science, as proposed by Karl Popper. To be a true science it must have as its basis, a falsifiable theory. That is, not only must you have a theory, but you need to be able to construct an experiment that can disprove it. In many ways this mean that the hypothesis is predictive. If the hypothesis makes a testable prediction, you test the prediction. If the prediction comes about, the hypothesis is validated. If it does not, the hypothesis is disproven. If you can’t come up with such an experiment, the hypothesis is essentially useless.

Non-science might have a falseifiable hypothesis. But since it is revealed truth it is axiomatic that any contradictory evidence is simply wrong.

I like to describe the difference in the three categories like this. It is all about how much information is in the theory. True science has a very small amount of information in it. The less information the better. For instance general relativity describes the way gravity and space-time works for (nearly) every part of the universe. A theory of space time that only applies on the Earth (like Aristotle’s) contains vastly more information - because it needs to contain all the information that limits is application. True science carries the information that describes its hypothesis, plus the current known bounds of its validity. As research continues these bounds may reduce, but in principle should never vanish. There is always some room for doubt.

Pseudo-Science tends to contain an unbounded amount of information, an amount that is equivalent to the sum of all the experiments done. Each experiment adds new special cases and get out clauses that protect the core hypothesis. In the end it is nothing more than the history of all the things that actually invalidate the hypothesis, plus the core hypothesis. It is not predictive, it can only tell you about what has been tested, not about what you might discover with a novel test. There is no room for doubt.

Non-science contains only the information that represents its revealed truth. There are no bounds to known validation, because it may not be questioned.

Very good suggestion. But, that bit about highly dodgy paradigms and lack of efidential basis - wouldn’t the standards of the day have to apply? It should matter what people who were in the lead of science or natural philosoply at the time thought about the methods of the alchemists. They seem misled now, but only if they were disdained in their own day by whoever best deserves to be called the scientists of that day would alchemy be pseudoscience.

I do think the “right by accident” part of this suggestion is the best answer to the OP, if it is not invalidated by the standards of the day issue.

I think a lot of eastern practices fall under this category.

When meditation came to the west it was described as working on religious principles like qi energy, buddha nature, etc. Now its understood to calm the mind which has secondary physical characteristics like slowing down the heart, increasing attention, lowering blood pressure, etc. We can see brains of meditators change over time with MRI.

Some Chinese herbal medicines like ginseng are like this. They were also described as working on things like qi or chi. Now we know a few of these herbs have actual uses and actually do something. Not all of it was placebo effect, but most of it was.

Of course it makes testable predictions. Unfortunately, the very nature of the hypothesis means that only one alternative of the possible outcomes will occur per universe, making it unfalsifiable. :slight_smile:

Which is going to be more and more true of hypotheses of this nature. But the real reason that it is not pseudo-science is that it is offered as a possible explanation, not as truth or even a theory. In fact it is an excellent demonstration of the difference between a hypothesis and a theory, like evolution. (String theory really should be string hypothesis.)

Now, if some clown starts a church or cult or movement around it, then he has made a version of the many-worlds hypothesis into pseudo-science.