That scene happens early in the movie when Batman dive bombs The Scarecrow’s getaway van.
I just recently watched T2 and while this may have been in the back of Cameron’s mind, The Terminator never comes across as a bad guy and the T-1000 never seems like a good guy. But it didn’t matter because every trailer gave that away.
That was a van that he crushed though. This is the picture I’m talking about.
See post 16.
Really? I thought there was nothing that gave away that Robert Patrick was actually a Terminator right up until the first fight between him & Arnie at the mall. It’s left ambiguous enough up to that point that it easily could have followed the first Terminator formula, including the T-1000 having Robert Patrick’s face the very first time we see him.
No, at the very beginning, T2 kills a cop to get his uniform and car. We don’t see Robert Patrick’s face until after the deed was done, but he does act menacing enough so that we get the idea that he’s not good.
Arnie, when he appears, is shown in his birthday suite walking into that male strip joint, and does the “talk to the hand” bit. More comedy, less menacing.
IIRC, it’s filmed to look like the T2 is swiftly incapacitating the guy – rather like Kyle Reese would presumably do, without hesitation, in a similar situation.
Didn’t he kill the cop with an arm blade and then morph to match his clothes? Didn’t that kind of give it away?
Yes - he hits the cop in the abdomen and the cop falls. No way to tell if he’s dead or just incapacitated. We see Robert Patrick’s face when he hits the cop. The cop is definitely not played by RP - the whole chameleon mechanism doesn’t show up until much later in the movie. So as far as we can tell - Robert Patrick/T-1000 is a human. Maybe meaner than Reese was, but there’s no indication he’s been sent back to kill John Connor.
And Arnie definitely beats up the bikers pretty well - including sticking a 6 inch knife into one guys back (after he tried to stab Arnie with it).
All I’m saying is that if you saw the first movie, then without seeing any previews or press, watched the second, your natural assumption would be that Robert Patrick was sent back to protect John again, and Arnie was sent back to kill him again. Just like John and Sarah thought when they saw Arnie. That’s why the whole theater erupted in cheers when Arnie said “Come with me if you vant to live.”
Nope. He’s naked, with Robert Patrick’s face already, hits the cop in the stomach, then bends over him, then it cuts to a scene where’s he’s dressed as a cop. No reason at that time to think he did anything but knock him out and steal his clothes.
I don’t remember the scene in question, but I think here you’re conflating two different, later scenes, one in John Connor’s house and one with a helicopter pilot.
I don’t think T2 was misleading at all. I seem to recall reading an article where they flat out state Arnie is the good guy this time.
That was in Terminator 3 and it was sort of a light-hearted take on how it went in T2 since it was obvious he was good. IIRC, he walks into a biker bar, beats up the bikers, and takes the guys clothes and his bike.
No, they don’t show what happens. Knowing he’s the bad guy on subsequent viewings, we know that’s probably what happened. But not knowing, we might assume that he incapacitated him and took the uniform.
Looks like a promotional shot from after the police van chase.
Sure - there was plenty of press before the movie was released that Arnie was going to be protecting John Connor, and that the T1000 could morph, and all that. But in the movie itself, there’s no indication of that right until they both find John and the first real action/fight sequence begins.
Of course, press promos and reviews are not trailers. And I think this is a good example of a time where a deliberately, artistically deceptive trailer (without the press spoilers, at least before opening) would have worked well and been appreciated, not resented, by audiences.
I think Robert Patrick’s attitude gives away that the T-1000 is evil. First of all, he very calmly kills the cop in a way that screams “superstrength!” And then later, he seems almost smug when he confronts John’s parents at the house. Finally, using the computer to look John up was a dead giveaway. A resistance soldier would know all that because he would have been told by John himself.
Not if he’s looking for directions rather than an address.
I disagree that anything about him beforehand gives away that he’s evil. Ruthless, sure, but so was Reese. There’s no certainty that he killed the cop. He’s polite enough at the foster parents house, and seems interested when told about the “big guy” also looking for John. And the computer might be a giveaway, but only in hindsight - like all the other clues. I guess there’s no way to know, short of having someone with no previous exposure watch both movies, pause the second one right before “Get down!”, and see what they think.
Ok, sorry. It’s been a while since I have seen these films. I plead old age.
Wait, what? Regardless of trailers, press material, etc, it’s very, very clear that the viewer was meant to think Arnold was bad in T2, right up until he says “Get down!” in the maintenance hallway in the mall and stops the T1000’s bullets. I don’t understand how anyone could think otherwise.
