I’m confused, what is it that pervy men are doing, relevant to this thread?
THAT, whatever the heck it is that pervy men do in women’s bathrooms. I’ve never encountered any myself, and have no idea what they might want to do, but they seem to be behind the objections to these laws. AKA, because pervy men might do something, we must legislate against transgender individuals. Instead of, you know, legislating against the pervy men. Who aren’t transgender.
Of course it makes no sense.
So the “real problem” is something that pretty much never happens? Sounds like voter fraud to me.
I don’t know what they are, but some people I’ve seen talk about this say there are already laws on the books for “pervy men.” And they definitely can be kicked out and use trespassing laws against them.
So it seems to me that solution is make some pro-trans bathroom laws, but specifically make an exception that allows anyone to still be removed for reasons that aren’t gender related. Sure, some places might try to lie about what a trans person is doing, but it would be a step forward, while including some comfort language to reassure those who are scared the laws will be exploited.
Yeah, I agree with you, and I think spamforbrains is taking a thin rationalization too much at face value.
OTOH, if there were any hypothetical pervy men or women making others uncomfortable in the bathrooms, then yes, those pervs should be the ones we prosecute, not the trans people or anyone else.
Does anybody want their 8 year old daughter to see some dude in a dress schlong?
If some guy wants to call himself a woman fine. I could care less. Dress up all you want. I got no problem with it. But at least have the decency to go to the men’s restroom. Kids don’t want to look at your hairy dick in the women’s restroom. That’s not asking too much is it?
Same goes for women who are transitioning to men. Dress like you want but our young boys don’t need to see your vag in the men’s restroom.
After surgery, then yes it’s a different story. The plumbing matches the gender of the bathroom.
[Hijack]My apologies to you all. For reasons not known to you all, it hit a button with me. [/Hijack]
What the hell goes on when you go in a public bathroom? :eek::eek::eek:
I’m confused. Don’t womens rest rooms just have all separate cubicles with doors? How the hell could you see anything unless you’re deliberately looking over/under the door?
Does anyone want their 8year old son to see some dude in a dress with a schlong?
Under what circumstances would these young boys be in a situation where “seeing vag” was possible? Do you think the transwomen just walk up to the urinals, hitch one leg up high on the urinal, pull their panties to the side and just let it flow?
Yeah, pretty much. If your kid is looking under/over the doors, then they deserve to be freaked out, quite frankly.
Dude…
NO GENITALIA IS VISIBLE IN A WOMAN’S BATHROOM
At least, not in normal ones. You know, with those complex contraptions called doors.
My apologies to the rest for screaming, but the worst part is, I doubt aceplace57 understood it! Jesus man, did your mom never take you to a public restroom, or was it so long ago your memory has gone the way of the dinosaurs?
We have separate men and women’s bathrooms for privacy. Theres semi-nudity in bathrooms. I’ve seen guys with their pants off drying a wet spot with the hand dryers. Maybe they spilled something in their lap at the restaurant table. They washed off the spot in the sink. No big deal…
Some people change clothes in the bathrooms. Putting on workout clothes during their lunch break. Then change back into office clothes afterwards. I’ve done that many times and I don’t do it in the tiny toilet cubicle. I don’t want my clothes brushing up against the toilet. Theres more room in the open space by the sinks.
Although others have already said it, under what circumstances do you envision any of that happening? The only time someone might catch a glimpse of someone else’s genitalia in a restroom normally is at the urinals in a men’s room (especially the type that don’t use dividers, or where it’s just a trough). A transitioning FTM would not use a urinal if he was in a men’s room, and a transitioning MTF also would not use a urinal in a woman’s restroom, since women’s restrooms typically don’t have them (I haven’t been in one, but from what I understand :p).
I’m wondering if it would be possible to have restrooms for people like aceplace57…
He’s spent his whole life in the company of women and yet, to him we’re an alien species. He has no idea what our roaming grounds are like or how we behave there. He’s never heard of the towel dance and now that I’ve mentioned it he probably confuses it with the belly dance. To him, women are not people but a misterious flower which must be protected from those things he would consider offensive and which none of us actual female humans present here can ever remember encountering.
I haven’t been in a woman’s restroom either. But I’d guess they change clothes in there too. Just like guys do. The toilet cubicle is just to small for that.
Do women really close themselves up in a cubicle and close the door just to pee? Seems pretty extreme. But whatever. Guys piss at a urinal standing side by side. 
In a lady’s room, most people do anything that involves exposure INSIDE A STALL. How many times does that has to be pointed out to you? :rolleyes:
I’m a guy. But in my experience anything men use a commode for takes place inside a stall with the door closed.
Maybe I’m assuming too much, but generally women’s restrooms don’t have urinals.* Presumably women do their business in a stall with the door closed. The fairer sex is not *that *different.
- OK, in college the women’s restroom on my dorm floor did, but only because they transitioned that wing of the floor from men to women but didn’t change the plumbing. So appropriate for this thread.
Hey, that’s what that big, roomy handicap stall if for ain’t it? I mean, its not like them wheelchairs ever be there, wanting the stalls. I mean, who wouldn’t let a wheelchair go in front of them, to be courteous, if they were present when I was going into it? I’d just use one of the other stalls. But since wheelchairs are virtually never present at the exact second I’m in there and seeing an empty stall, who’s it hurting for me to use it?
It’s hurting the wheelchairs who enter into the bathroom while you’re in the stall and are unable to use the bathroom for any function, regardless of urgency, because their one and only option was taken by another man who had the entire bathroom facilities at his disposal.
*This train of thought I believe is ingrained into the beliefs of the majority of our country. This results in a wheelchair user having to endure (completely unnecessarily) waiting, during possible emergency level urgency, while staring at rows of empty toilets. So close…yet so far. 
If the man in the handicap stall had viewed these stalls as “stalls of necessity”, for able bodied and disabled alike, then he would have understood that he would be doing something wrong by using it when other stalls were available to him.
[apologies for the hijack there. it started as just a short little off-topic comment and I just got carried away. 
Ambivalid I’ve never used the handicap stall just to change clothes.
Theres usually a fairly large and open area in front of the sinks thats good for changing clothes. A little cleaner because its away from the urinals. Mirror right there too to make sure the tie is straight and hair combed. I’d prefer changing my clothes in my office but theres no blinds on the windows. So the bathroom is the best option.
Semi nudity is no big deal among people of the same gender. We all remember the showers and locker rooms at school. Modesty goes out the window when you shower with 10 other guys after gym class or football practice.