Women changing in a place that’s not a changing room will generally use the stalls or do the towel dance (depending on how long your top is or if you have a skirt, you don’t even need a towel) - I’d expect a trans person to prefer either to flashing. There’s zero benefit to flashing.
Transpeople are generally rather terrified of being identified and confronted in the restroom. You really think they’re going to draw even more attention to themselves by flashing their genitalia for everyone to see? Especially since pre and early-transition transpeople have extremely bad dysphoria, and oftentimes even dysmorphia, and think they look hideous and nobody wants to see their body.
I’m sure some radical transperson may do it to make a point, but in general this isn’t going to happen. We’re talking about a demographic that often uses phone apps and walks a mile to find a gender neutral single occupancy restroom at a gas station rather than risk confrontation in a gendered restroom. I can’t see how this demographic is going to go around getting naked in front of everyone.
I have never seen anybody change clothes in the men’s room in my life. Then again, I’ve never been to Arkansas, either. 
I have never ever seen another woman’s naked genitals in a public bathroom. No one flashing, and I’m certainly not looking. I really have no idea what you’re getting up to in the men’s. I thought staring at other people’s bits at the urinal was frowned upon?
Also, for the love of all the gods, a transwoman is not a dude in a dress. She is a woman, possibly in a dress. Maybe she prefers pants. She is most definitely not a dude.
And honestly, I’m sick of that. It’s disingenuous. I don’t believe for a minute that anyone calling someone “a dude in a dress” is actually confused about what transitioning is. It’s intentional mis-gendering, it’s intended as an insult, it’s intended to scorn and shame and invalidate their victim, and it’s rude and hostile and abusive which is about the nicest thing I can say about it.
Be a better person.
Yes, that was my first thought. What the hell? Guys waving dicks (hairy or not) around? Women flashing vaj? Been using toilets for over half century now and I’ve never seen anything of the sort. Granted, I don’t frequent men’s toilets so what the hell do I know about it? But, nevermind 8 year old daughters, as a general rule I don’t think most men want to look at other guys’ hairy dicks so I presume male toilet culture discourages displays of that sort.
Once upon a time a woman Doper related an incident where she was in the bathroom, in a stall, and a young boy (presumably brought in with his mother) “slithered” under the gap just in time to learn what tampons are for and almost got hit by a bloody one being removed. That’s about the only conceivable situation, and I think most of us would describe that as “pervy behavior”, or at least downright rude. Kinda hope that satisfied and ended the young man’s peeping tom impulses.
But, speaking as a woman, I’ve never seen vaj in a woman’s toilet.
YES, WE REALLY DO PISS IN THE STALLS WITH THE DOOR CLOSED.
We change clothes in there, too. Sometime mothers squeeze into the stall with one (or more!) children to assist said child with the toilet. All of this happens with the door closed. Everything involving opening and/or removing bits of clothing in the women’s room happens in the stall. I have never seen a woman changing her clothes out in the open by the sinks or with her pants off drying wet spots in a woman’s toilet. Never.
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Honestly, the person in the next stall in a woman’s room could be an alien with 16 purple tentacles, 3 orifices, green fur, orange feathers, and a “happy button” for genitals and no one would ever know. (If flashing lights and/or sirens were involved that might be different, but as long as the stall door stays closed and no one is screaming for help I’d mind my own business.) Maybe that’s why we women don’t care what’s under the clothing of the person in the neighboring stall and it’s a non-issue as long as said person goes in, shuts the door, does the business, and leaves without involving anyone else.
Once again, the people hyperventilating in this thread are all men terribly worried about what’s going on with [del]their[/del] the women and the women here are wondering what the hell men think goes on in a woman’s toilet.
I’ve never seen anyone change clothes in the men’s room either.
(I’m 62 and have visited most European countries, America, Canada and Australia.)
Hey, to be fair, the last line in Broomstick’s previous post should read “what the hell some men think”. The immense majority appear to be quite rational, at least in this neighborhood.
Some locations have larger stalls or diaper tables but only in the ladies’ side; a few times I’ve seen men (presumably cis ones, simply by probability) cautiously walk in with one or more children in tow, as they needed to use those. Others think that hey, let’s kill three birds with one stone: a small room for the men with both a urinal and a throne, a large accessible room with a diaper table and a throne for the women (and then they wonder why we take so long). Again, I’ve seen men use that one when the men’s room simply didn’t have any decent space for all the crap involved in changing a diaper. Never was any of the women present in danger of seeing any private bits, nor the gent in danger of seeing ours except for those belonging to his child.
My place of employment has diaper changing stations in both the woman’s AND the men’s toilet rooms. Progress marches on.
Nonsense. I’m a big guy, and I have changed clothes in typical stalls on several occasions. I’ve never seen a guy washing, drying, or changing his pants in the open area of a restroom, either. (I have seen guys change shirts in the open area, but a shirt swap hardly requires full frontal nudity.)
Better than a business casual schlong long, no doubt.
But nothing changes that when you insist a fully transitioned female to male, (bearded, manly looking) trans man, use the ladies room you open the door to any man, any time, going into the ladies room.
And what are the ladies to do exactly? Are you expecting them to police this? And how? Are they supposed to freak out when they see what appears to be a man in the ladies room? Are they to assume that must be a trans woman? Are they supposed to check? What about your ten year old daughter? Is she supposed to challenge what seems to be a man?
The whole idea is 100% unworkable. The women can’t police this. Insisting trans men use the ladies room means no one will even raise an eyebrow when (what fully appears to be ) a man follows your 12 yr old daughter into the bathroom!
How can anyone’s transphobia blind them to how unworkable and contrary to ‘bathroom’ safety this whole idea is?
Another reason the bathroom safety thing is dumb is that right now there is little to stop a straight man going inside. There are no guards standing outside.
They’re generally safe places because people can walk in at any time…so not a good place to try to sexually assault someone. That won’t change.
I guess one difference is potentially guys who want to just look/hear women use the bathroom, and want that so badly that they’re prepared to fake trans to do it (but are not so good at faking that they could pass for female and already do this).
Yeah…I guess the floodgates are open for that kind of super-popular, hugely-damaging crime…
I guess the only answer is to abolish public facilities and make everyone go before they leave home. Problem solved…
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Those of us who are still of fertile age and that means having one day a month when we pee every half hour are against the last proposal.
Let us not get into what pregnant women say. It wouldn’t be polite, what pregnant women say.
Silly girl. The pregnant women are barefoot and in their own kitchens. Or would be if there were any standards anymore. I’m off to my fainting couch.
The transphobic never seem to remember the transmen. Maybe because they consider them women and therefore not real men and incapable of being a threat - it’s other men this type considers threatening. Or the transphobes are such manly men they’re certain they could handle any threat presented by a fake man/woman posing as a man because, well, they’re men but the women in the next room over, oh, those poor helpless darlings are at the mercy of that fake woman, that man in a dress, who clearly can only have hostile intent!
Or maybe not - that’s just a guess or two on my part. But these folks do seem inordinately interested in other peoples’ genitals and scared spitless of a certain category of people who just want to deposit bodily wastes in an appropriate receptacle and get back to what they were doing before the all of nature while totally ignoring another category of people who are doing the same thing in the stall next to them.
So what’s the fear here exactly? Does it really all boil down to women feeling threatened in a public restroom (fear of a man entering a women’s restroom with the intent of committing some sort of offense)?
Assuming that’s the case, I have some serious (not joking, no sarcasm) questions/comments:
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There are already laws on the books for this. Voyeurism, lewd behavior, etc. - and sex/gender doesn’t matter. It is already illegal for a person in any public restroom (regardless of whether they are in the “correct” restroom or not) to do anything related to these fears - physical contact, spying “through the cracks,” all that stuff.
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I’ll stress that #1, already illegal - If someone really wanted to do what we’re talking about here, is another more specific or strongly worded law going to make a difference in public safety - or would it just make you feel better?
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Can anyone - ANYONE - cite an actual case of a male or female entering the “opposite” restroom while dressed as an “opposite” with clandestine (meaning trying to keep it secret, not a guy following a women into the restroom to harass or whatever) sexual intent? Ever? If so, how many cases are we talking about here? How frequent? Taking away the whole transgender issue, wouldn’t this not be a problem already?
This isn’t a “problem” to be solved. There’s no real safety risk here one way or the other. A new law will accomplish nothing except further marginalize an already marginalized group of people.
No, to some MEN feeling threatened by the idea of women who happen to have penises being able to occupy the same space as those men’s chattel.
These bills are not a response to women’s fears about their safety. They’re part of a campaign to roll back LGBT rights, orchestrated by the same people who brought us Kim Davis.
Religious extremists have by and large lost the culture war on same-sex marriage. So now they are trying to carve out exemptions to non-discrimination, in part by creating controversy where none actually exists.
When all else fails, BATHROOMS!
(The elderly among us will remember the role bathrooms played in the defeat of the ERA.)