Q's for Brits raised early to mid 1980s

Hey there BritDopers, I need some Britpicking as we call it in fandom. I’m writing a story that features a character that grew up in London during the early to mid 1980s. He’s the son of Soviet immigrants. If you grew up during this era or know of any good books that could help me depict this time period, that’d be great.

What sort of things would a British boy growing up in the early to mid-80s have been into? Let’s say he’s about ten to fifteen years of age (born 1969). What sort of television shows were popular amongst boys in that time? Games? Music? What was school life like? Any specific slang or slang I should avoid (outdated, wrong period, etc.)?

Also, does anyone know anything about the status of Russian immigrants in London? Did they assimilate quickly? Looked on with suspicion? I’ve dug around and from what I can tell, England had very few Soviet/Russian immigrants at this time.

I’m not British but I just watched a series called Law of the Playground which is about going to school in the 80s in Britain (at least the TV show is). I think you can find a lot of it on YouTube and, as the Wikipedia article says, it’s a book and a Website too.

David Mitchell’s Black Swan Green is about a lad growing up during the Falklands War era (1982). It’s supposedly very good on period detail. (I’ve not read it, but Mitchell is an excellent and much-lauded writer, so it’s on my wish list.)

Another indispensible read would be the first two Adrian Mole books by Sue Townsend. They are “diaries” of a boy of that age at that time, written first person and very accurate.
I grew up in that era (I’m a couple of years younger than your character), but it’s very hard to generalise about what boys as a group were up to, as it is now I guess.

Music in general was popular. What type of music a person in their early teens liked liked was much less varied than it is today. This was the era of music videos and “AM radio” when popular music was genuinely popular. So although punk, reggae and rap all had strong followings in the adult market at the time, a young teenager is very unlikely to have been following anything that wasn’t in the Top 10. Much more likely are the standard 80s acts, and the best way to find out what they are is simply do a search on top selling singles/ albums at the time you are writing about. Mostly “New Wave” stuff like Culture Club or Duran Duran with a bit of middle of the road rock like Billy Joel. That is what the typical teenager would have been listening too. 80s hair metal hadn’t really established as a pop culture phenomenon in the early 80s, and although certain segments of the teen market were certainly have been listening to the likes of Motley Crue those acts didn’t get much airplay.

While on the subject of music, the same stuff was popular in England as in the US". Music videos were just starting to make a big splash, Walkmen and the associated knock-offs were the Ipods of the day, though less common amongst early teenagers because they were much more expensive relatively.

Television shows weren’t a a lot different for the US. “The Young Ones” is about the only show popular amongst teens that I can think of that wasn’t a direct US import, and it was very popular in the early 80s. Beyond that everyone was watching just what kids in the US were watching: The Cosby Show, A-Team, Miami Vice and so forth.

Movies were even more common between the US and England. I’m having a hard time thinking of any movies that weren’t equally popular in both countries. The English film industry was going through a bit of a slump, so aside from the James Bond franchise there wasn’t much UK specific material around. We were watching Highlander and Back to the Future and the Police Academy Movies and all the standard teenfare that the kids in the US were watching.

Video games were popular, the Atari home units if you were reasonably wealthy, rich but everyone wasted their money on the coin operated version at the local arcade or chippy. There were still a fair few pinball machines around, but we generally considered them boring and for an older crowd. There weren’t any specific games that I can remember were particularly popular, just the standard run of the mill arcade stuff. the other thing that was very popular were the little hand held LCD games. these were forerunners of the Game Boy, but they only played one game. So you had to buy one for

This was also the height of the home computer craze. Large numbers of teenagers anted a computer and large numbers were bought. Whether they were used for programming or just to play games depended a lot on what crowd you hung with.

In terms of school life I think you really can’t go past the Adrian Mole books. To me they are amazingly accurate. One thing that always strikes me looking back is how little sexual activity and drug use occurred. Of course it was happening, but it was nowhere near as common as today and certainly nowhere near as open.

Slang you should avoid? All of it really. Slang was even less standardised and even more ephemeral than than today. An expression might become popular after it appeared in a movie, but it would probably vanish within 6 months and anyone using it even 1 2months later was probably doing it for laughs. Think valley girl style “so 5 minutes ago”. There really wasn’t any 80s slang So if you are going to use any slang that hasn’t remained current since the 60s until today such as “cool” give it a context. For example I remember a lot of people using “heavy” after it appeared in “Back to the Future”, so if your character has just seen that movie it’s Unless you have some really reliable reference that a slang expression was commonly used int he suburb at that time, don’t use it. was

Also avoid the cultural cliches unless you have a good reason. London at that time had a lot of Neo-Fascist skinheads, but they were nowhere near as common as most literature portrays them. Yes you would often see a “gang” of three or four on the streets, but they were noteworthy for being so rare and so obvious. I’m guessing that less than one in 10, 000 teenagers every actually adopted a single aspect of skinhead culture beyond wearing Docs, and less than one in a thousand ever wore Docs.

The same can be said of Breakdancers, Rastas, Yuppies, Anarchists and any other aspect of 80s popular culture. Literature, whether retrospective or “made by 40 year old executives” contemporary literature always makes than far more common than they were in reality. These groups all existed and they were regularly seen “in the wild” but they were notable for their rarity. So don’t write them into every scene and don’t give them undue importance. Your character would regularly see all of these groups, but it’s not like they were ever more than a tiny fraction of the population.

The status of Russian immigrants? Essentially non existent. This was the height of the Cold War remember. Russia was still largely a sealed state, almost nobody was let out. Probably less than 100 people each were allowed to officially emigrate at all at the time you are talking about, and most of those would have been Jews moving to Israel. To be a teenage Russian living in London at that stage your family had some interesting history behind it. You really need to explain how they got out because it wasn’t a simple as applying for a passport or even swimming the Rio Grande. It was often a case of avoiding soldiers and attack dogs. You probably should start by reading some of the online stories of Russian refugees/ defectors from the period when this family escaped. To be released officially you needed to find another state that would accept you, and if you weren’t Jewish that was very uncommon because you were unlikely to have sponsors in foreign nations by that stage. Even if you could find another state your applioctaion was almost certain to be refused.

So Russian immigrants didn’t really have a status. It was unlikely that anyone had ever met a Russian. They must have assimilated quickly simply because there were no other Russians to form enlcaves with. You coudl find that ststistics, but I would be surpised to find more than a few thousand post WWII Russian immigrants living in the whole of London at this time. Looked on with suspicion? I doubt it. They would have been considered refugees form Communism, which was the great enemy at the time. Remember these were the Thatcher/Reagan years and the Soviet people were very much portrayed as the victims of their evil government. They would have been viewed much the same as Vietnamese refugees were viewed in the US at the time. A child would become something of a celebrity with the local kids simply because the only Russians anyone ever saw were in spy movies. It would be a bit like having a real life Martian in the class.

Having said that there was a fair bit of anti-immigrant tension in London at this time. That was largely directed at Asians, and since Russians are white they would have avoided most of the Skinhead aggravation. Indeed many skinhead gangs at the time were proud to have white immigrants in the group to show that they were all about white solidarity. Even so it is almost certain they would have copped nasty comments from a few individuals, just as likely older people as young Skins.

Sinclair ZX81

Grange Hill

Everyone I knew though that Grange Hill was dated and strange even when it seemed to be a classic example of a show made by middle aged executive to “deliver a positive message to the youth market”. It was about as realistic as the Cosby Show.

I guess I should’ve explained. It’s not there as an example of how kids were behaving in the 80s, it’s an example of the shows they were watching in the 80s.

I think it represents the school system pretty well, though.

I’d disagree. When viewed as a member of its target audience, it was definitely worth watching. As we grew older, and Grange Hill didn’t, there was a danger of people feeling that it had somehow changed. But the program was the constant.

I agree with just about everything else Blake has said, though :slight_smile:

You’re getting old (me too).

There may be some element of truth in this, but I think that exaggerating the actual extent of gossipy issues like the sex and drug use of “young people of today” is a perennial. Consequently, one’s perception of the extent of those issues is always greater than reality for all but one era: the days when you were a young person yourself. That is the one era of which you have direct personal experience and so know that neither you nor 95% of those you knew were getting laid or doing drugs then near as much as “those young people of today”.

When I was in school it was well known amongst us state school kids that private school girls put out like rabbits (but only to private school guys) and that private school kids had alcohol and dope fuelled parties that we could only dream of.

In my final year I was good friends with a couple of private school guys who had failed their final year and so were repeating at a state school. I was amused to learn that their views of us were mirrored by our views of them.

It’s always “them”.

True enough.

I’m not sure I buy this. Until less than 10 years ago i was still in pretty close contact with people in their late teens, and things had changed a surprising amount. When I was at high school the great majority of graduates were virgins. Even gossip had it that less than 20% of the students in my year had been laid, and truth was almost certainly less than half that. The vast majority of us had never done drugs. Now the trend seems to be reversed: the majority of HS graduates aren’t virgins and the although the majority have never done drugs probably over 10% have.

Now some of this would be the result of the types of people in their late teens/early 20s that associated with our group, but even so I don’t think that the general perception is untrue.

But of course it’s hard to get accurate info on the subject. teenagers always lie about their sex lives, but the hardest part is working out which lies they are telling. So I may be completely wrong on the facts. But certainly a story set in the early 80s shouldn’t feature 16 year olds regularly having sex. Trying to, sure, at least for the boys. But actually doing, it just wasn’t common or if it was then it was very, very well hidden by everyone involved.

To add a couple of other points for the OP.

A strong undertone at that time amongst teenagers was the general economic/political situation. That was tome of very high unemployment and a radical shakeup of the labour system under Thatcher. It’s kind of hard to express how that affected teenagers. It was rarely discussed and for school students ahd relatively little direct impact, but it managed to colour everything. I guess part of it was that there was so much press coverage about youth unemployment etc that kids came o adopt it as part of their identity.

Another thing was is the whole “Nuclear Holocaust” scare campaign of the early Eighties. There was (or seemed to be) a lot of coverage of the horrors of nuclear war and how common it was, including a couple of really popular TV series: threads and The Day After. The whole thing has a major impact on a lot of teenager sat the time, but oddly seems to have been almost completely forgotten in 80s nostalgia/retrospectives.

And to correct a typo, the origina lpost should have read "Probably less than 1000 people were allowed to officially emigrate each year.

There really isn’t a General Question as such, so let’s head over to MPSIMS where we can get opinions, facts, trivia, etc.

samclem Moderator, General Questions

This is the era when I was a preteen/teen living in England. Blake clearly entered my brainspace and dumped the contents into his post.

Sue Townsend’s A. Mole books are a great cultural mirror of the times. The Falklands conflict was big news - it was a war, and of course there were wounded vets coming back to the UK. Absolutely, nuclear war was scary. CND was often in the news leading protests.

The IRA and terrorist attacks were a hot-button issue. I was much more afraid of being a victim of a bomb blast in the Bicester shopping center than ICBMs raining down, truth be told.

The valorization of US culture was just occurring as well. Outside of Tomorrow’s World and Top of the Pops, all of my favorite shows were from America, practically. Except Spitting Image, I freakin’ loved that show. And of course the Chicken Song which was number one for yonks… and Kenny Everett! But you couldn’t escape some of the staples of British telly: Noel Edmunds, Terry Wogan, Bruce Forsyth, and Jimmy Saville were on multiple programmes. Filmwise we were into the 80s blockbusters - Ghostbusters, Raiders of the Lost Ark, etc.

Awareness of the famine in Ethiopia was huge as well. Band Aid was 1984, right? That was the beginning of charity records, etc. Breakfast TV was big too, with Breakfast Time on the BBC and tv-am on ITV. The Charles-Diana wedding as well.

Second the advent of the home micro, whether it was the Spectrum, BBC, Amstrad, or Commodore. Every boy my age had one. Only Americans had Ataris, as far as I knew.

There were a lot fewer public information films on, which is one of the most vivid memories I have of growing up in the late 70s. But going on YouTube and watching a bunch of UK commercials would be helpful. Milk has got a lotta bottle, Shredded Wheat (bet you can’t eat more than three), Weetabix, etc.

Music-wise, the cult of the DJ was big. Whether it was John Peel or Steve Wright or Tony Blackburn or Dave Lee Travis, you definitely knew and remembered who was spinning the songs you heard on the radio…

Wonderful book!!!

Get it ASAP!

Drugs, that one wouldn’t surprise me, although if you exclude occassional use of, or experimentation with, marijuana you might be back nearer the 10% mark. What I don’t buy, however, is your very high numbers of virgins way back when. Gossip is hardly a statistical basis for making any comparison! If the cultural perception was that it was not a good thing to have sex at that age, then things would be more likely to remain secret.

Perhaps the most important thing is to avoid the relatively free and open discussion of sex and of sex lives (of famous people as well as friends) to which we are accustomed.

Everyone lies about sex. My belief is that the virginity rate among teenagers has always been higher than reported, simply because it’s deeply uncool for a teenager, particularly a boy, to admit to being a virgin. Don’t confuse what people say they’re doing with what they’re really doing.

That’s my era.

Cliques we had at school were “casuals” (stayprest trousers and thin ties, into Spandau Ballet, Duran Duran) and “metallers” (Maiden, Ozzy), and there were also skinheads. New Romantics were a rare breed, but the boys occasionally wore flamboyant clothes and eye makeup.

Everyone male loved Debbie Harry - “Tide is High” era.

Everone loved American culture and food - and clothing. The Shuttle! Sneakers! Denim jackets!

Anyone who smoked was smoking hash not weed - you couldn’t get weed for love nor money. Afghan was popular.

ZX81 was being replaced by the Sinclair Spectrum. We had a ZX80 and used it to prop up a table. Rich kids had the Commodore 64.

Isn’t that pretty much what I said?