Question about Hanukah...would this be offensive?

[Jon Stewart]Yep, it’s a great holiday! 'The oil… lasted…longer…than it should have! Yaaaay! (feebly waves pen in the air)[/Jon Stewart]

Even in the distant 70s, when I was a kid, you hadda plunk a menorah next to each Christmas tree and then you Everything was OK! :rolleyes:

We have two electric-bulb menorahs at each stairway off the lobby in my co-op. Some silly Christian woman decided they looked bad with ‘some of the bulbs out’, as she explained when the super caught her, and whenever she passed she’d screw them all in so all eight were lit! Oy! Manny from the fifth floor would come in, grumble, go upstairs, get his yarmulke, and come back down, turn them all off, and do the ritual until Pat the super caught clueless lady. And Pat’s from Ireland but even he knew better. </hijack>

The other reason Chanukah is a minor holiday is that it’s too modern. The religious aspects of the ancient holidays and of Purim are all taken on faith. Chanukah, however, is a matter of historical fact.

From a practical religion point of view, Chanukah is about as significant as Rosh Chodesh (the minor holiday on the first day of each lunar month). On Chanukah we light candles in the special candleholder (“menorah” literally means candle-stick), recite Psalms 113 - 118 (the Hallel, psalms of praise), and add a daily Torah reading (from Numbers about the gifts of the tribes at the dedication of the portable temple in Sinai, I think that’s Num.7 - 8:4). On Rosh Chodesh, we recite Hallel (but skip the first half of Ps. 115 and 116), add a Torah reading (the offering for Rosh Chodesh), and include an additional prayer service in the morning (in place of the Rosh Chodesh offering).

Okay. That’s enough religious ed for today.

av8rmike,
I am from Birmingham also so I think I can answer.
Birmingham has three that I can find: Knesseth Israel (orthodox), Temple Beth El (conservative) and Temple Emanu El (reform) as well as several groups centered around things like day schools, singles groups, community centers and family service centers for the Jewish community.
So it’s not all fried pig and Easter celebrations south of the Mason-Dixon. :wink:

Thank you for all the great responses! Sorry I haven’t responded before now but I just got back in from the doctor after getting my THIRD shot of Rocephin this week. (Hurts like a SOB).

If there are any synagogues in Birmingham I am not aware of them. I’m going to do a search later and see what I can find.

Scuba_Ben brought up my biggest worry…that actually having a menorah would be inappropriate since we aren’t Jewish.

As far as I know I don’t believe my son even knows anyone who is Jewish. After thinking about it…I don’t think I do either.

I think his teacher told them about how people celebrate the holidays differently and he thought the whole menorah thing sounded really cool.

And forgive my complete ignorance, but if I even find a synagogue in our area is it considered poor form to attend their services? Is there anything I really should know before going so as not to look ridiculous? Should I explain that we aren’t Jewish but would like to “sit in” during the service? (I truly hope I’m not sounding patronizing…I really just don’t know anything at all about Jewish services).

It reminds me of the time I was 8 years old and handing out programs at my cousin’s wedding in a Catholic church. I had really long hair…all the way down my back. I was standing at the front and I didn’t realize part of my hair had somehow gotten into the bowl there that had the Holy Water in it. All of a sudden this lady started screeching at me about how my hair shouldn’t touch the Holy Water and did I not know any better? I was horrified because that was my first time in a Catholic church and I didn’t have any idea my hair was even touching the water! :eek:

And it looks like Rez did the searching for me.

Preview really is my friend. :wink:

They have the usual medium-sized-Southern-city complement: one of each major denomination, plus Chabad.

Reform: Temple Emanu-El, on Highland Avenue
Conservative: Temple Beth El, also on Highland Avenue
Orthodox: Kenesseth Israel, on Montevallo Road

Chabad of Alabama, on Overton Road. Chabad’s big on public menorah-lighting events, but their online listing doesn’t include anything for Alabama this year.

I did find this, from a few years ago, however.

I’ve never tried to attend services anywhere further south than I am now, so I wasn’t trying to make any generalizations about southerners or anything.

Aries28, your best bet would probably be to call the synagogues listed and speak to their rabbi, or congregation president, or someone who handles community outreach. I’d recommend calling the reform congregation, as their service would have more English and be a little more accessible. Explain your situation and see what they say. I’d strongly doubt any of them would turn you away simply for being a Gentile.

Keep in mind, however, that the first night of Chanukah falls on a Friday night, so you’ll be getting a “double shot” of Jewishness, i.e., the regular Chanukah stuff + a typical Friday night Sabbath service.

I just wanna know if Aires28 is going to be giving his kid one gift every night of Hannukah… :wink:

Aires28
Call the Levite Jewish Community Center on Montclair
www.bhamjcc.com and talk to them. They can probably help you find a public lighting ceremony and I’ll let you know if I come across one between now and next Friday. Check out www.deepsouthjewishvoice.com
av8rmike
I didn’t figure you were making generalizations and wasn’t trying to be a smart-ass. Well, maybe a little smart-ass but that’s my nature, not a response to you.

Thanks Rez…I’ll give that a try.

Now after all this work my son will probably be at his Dad’s house the first night of Hanukah… :frowning:

But…it’s good to know and we might go attend the service anyway…it sounds beautiful.

I think for this year we will learn about some of the traditions and history but not actually have a menorah. Something about doing that just doesn’t feel right to me.

Again, thanks for all the input! You have fought my ignorance and won! :smiley:

My only exception to this is the fact that you say Advent is some minor thing. I suppose it depends on the denomination. Among Catholics, Advent is its own season in the liturgical year. It’s not about having the cute little calendar that counts down to December 25 (it’s the 4 Sundays before Christmas, so sometimes it starts in November). Each Sunday has a specific theme–I know the 3rd one (joy) only because it has a different colored candle. Advent and Lent seemed to be bookends–both are about anticipation of what are ultimately joyous events

Yeah, I wasn’t entirely happy about the analogy, but it seemed to me the closest I could come. The calendar thing was part of it – something that you do each day, like lighting the menorah candles, but also the sense that it’s something you’d be aware was going on, that you’d mark off as being a special time, but that’s not one of the handful of extremely important religious holidays of the year.

I grew up in a family half Jew and half Catholic (used to be, when folks asked me what religion I was I said “confused and guilty” ;j ) Anyhow, we usually had the tree AND the whole Chanukah ritual, though you had to choose if you would get Chanukah presents or Christmas presents - you didn’t get both. And we’d have the dreidals and the candle-lighting (but not the latkas 'cause nobody in my family really liked them).

One thing mom always insisted on was reciting the proper blessing in Hebrew when lighting the candles. Had a phonetic cheat-sheet and ancient 78 rpm record to recite along with, since none of us really spoke Hebrew. The other odd thing is that my mom is the Catholic side of the family, my Jewish father never seemed to get involved much. (Rumor has it he only got through his bar mitzvah because he brother was holding up cue cards in the back of the room)

Anyhow, given that for thousands of years various group of people have made a hobby of persecuting or massacring Jews, most Jews are happy to see folks interested in them in a positive way. They also understand - in a way many Christian groups do not - that outsiders don’t know their customs and rituals. I’ve seen Christians literally scream at a Jew visiting a church “TAKE YOUR HAT OFF! MY GOD WEARING A HAT IN CHURCH WHAT ARE YOU THINKING EVERYONE KNOWS YOU DON’T WEAR A HAT IN CHURCH!”, nevermind that Jews cover their heads to show respect. Contrast this with the Jewish cemetary where my grandmother is buried, which has a box of yarmulkas and headscarves at the entrance and a someone who says “It’s our custom to cover our heads befor G-d, please, if you did not bring a head-covering with you, please take one of ours.”

So, by all means, call your local synagogues and ask. I agree, you will proably be most comfortable with a Reform group. Also, please be aware that there are as many different stripes of “Jew” as there is of “Christian”. It’s hardly a uniform group of people.

Aries, hun … trust me. If you change your mind and decide to go, it’s REALLY no biggy. I also think you should probably attend Reform services, next choice would be Conservative. I truly feel that if you go to Orthodox services, you won’t be comfortable (and if you go with your husband, you will not be able to sit with him. Men and women sit separately in Orthodox synagogues.) There’s nothing you really “need” to know (except wear a skirt or dress to an Orthodox shul ~ not pants). You don’t have to explain that you aren’t Jewish, but if it makes you feel more comfortable, you can call the rabbi ahead of time and tell him that your son has expressed some interest in the lighting of the menorah.

Also, there are a lot of Jews who don’t go to shul very often, mostly only on High Holidays (Rosh Hashannah and Yom Kippur). So a “different face” around Channukah wouldn’t stick out like a sore thumb.

I personally say go for it. Let your son see what it’s all about. One less person growing up ignorant, because of fear, because of lack of knowledge.

Are you sure that a Conservative shul is called Temple Anything? I thought this was only for Reform… :confused:

PS: If you’re worried about attempts from Jews to convert you to the Jewish faith, have no fear. It’s absolutely against the religion to “attempt to convert”. As a matter of fact, people coming to rabbis wishing to convert are put through rigorous questioning on their true motives.

as easy e mentioned there are advent candles that are lit on the sundays before christmas. perhaps you could look into that. advent calendars always seemed cool to me. i’ve seen ones that had a piece each day for a manger scene or an ornament each day for a wee tree.

i was always bummed that advent candles and calendars don’t work for the orthodox. we have 40 days in advent not 24.

My conservative shul (in a majority Jewish town) is called Temple Israel. I never heard that this was odd in any way.

I did wonder about the story there myself. It’s not like there’s any law against a Conservative shul being called “Temple whatever”, nor against a Reform one being called “Congregation whatever”. I’m guessing here, since I don’t know any more about the synagogues in question than what I posted, but I suspect that Temple Beth El, the Conservative shul, is the older of the two and was originally Reform, and that it moved toward Conservative practice over the years, and eventually re-aligned itself with the Conservative movement.

The practice of calling Reform places of worship “Temple whatever” arose from a point of doctrine in the Reform movement, namely that at least in its early days it de-emphasized rebuilding “The Temple” in Jerusalem and held that all Jewish places of worship should be the equivalent, for Modern Jews, of the original Temple.

Most of the Jews who settled in the American South in the 19th century were Reform Jews from Germany, and so most of the oldest shuls around are (or were, historically) Reform (I’m leaving out coastal areas such as Charleston, Savannah, etc., where the oldest synagogues are generally Sephardic, having been founded in the 18th century by British or Dutch Jews of Spanish descent). Such is certainly the case with The Temple, the oldest and largest Reform congregation here in Atlanta. The Orthodox shuls came later, with the later waves of immigration (primarily from Eastern Europe, where the Reform movement was never dominant). The Conservative movement was a reaction to what its members considered the excessive liberalization of practice and observance of the Reform movement, and generally was the last to establish itself in most communities. A fair number of Conservative congregations were founded as Reform or Orthodox institutions, and changed as the demographics and beliefs of their membership changed. For example, Atlanta’s Ahavath Achim was founded in 1887 by Eastern European Jews who presumably were not comfortable with the Reform orientation of The Temple; its ritual and practices at the time would be considered Orthodox today. By the middle of the twentieth century, however, Ahavath Achim had aligned itself with the Conservative movement. Along the way, Ahavath Achim has spawned several other congregations as members whose beliefs and practices led them in different directions (including Congregation Beth Jacob, now Atlanta’s largest Orthodox congregation).

This process of changing affiliation as the membership changes continues today, FWIW. Just recently, another long-standing Atlanta congregation, Shearith Israel, which was founded by Eastern European Jews in the early twentieth century and had long been associated with the Traditional movement (a sort of middle ground between the Orthodox and Conservative movements), voted to realign itself with the Conservative movement, leading the rabbi and a group of members to split off and found a new Traditional congregation.

By the way, Aries28, there’s an overview of what synagogues are like, with a section on visiting synagogues for non-Jews, at http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm .

And it turns out, I’m wrong after all that. Temple Beth El has a history of the Jewish community in Birmingham page on their web site.

I think taking your son to a synagogue for a menorah lighting is a great idea. You might also check your local bookstore’s children’s section for books on Hannukah – when I worked at Borders, we had all our kids’ holiday books on display all December, including books on Hannukah and Kwanzaa.