Here you go, from the reporter who had the report leaked to her.
Furthermore, Zimmerman’s father has confirmed that story.
Huh. Are you trying to argue that it’s racist to say that blacks ARE as intelligent as whites?:dubious:
Thanks, but that is not what I was looking for.
Do you have a link to a transcript (or video) of George Zimmerman claiming that Martin beat his head against the ground for nearly a full minute?
Regards,
Shodan
That’s quite an baseless assumption.
A struggle on the ground lasting a minute does not mean that the full minute was one of non-stop head bashing into concrete. Who knows how many of Martin’s blows landed? Maybe Zimmerman got in a few punches and got the upper hand at some point.
Well, now, that’s certainly interesting. Have I got this right, then? Martin is on top of Zimmerman, pinning him to the ground, and Zimmerman moves his head so that it is no longer being impacted onto the concrete?
He has a prehensile neck? Don’t know about you guys, but if I were pinned down on my back, I can move my head…or, more importantly, the point where the back of my head rests upon the floor…I can move that maybe two, three inches at most. Side to side, about the only freedom of movement available to me.
How’d he do that?
That would be a signifigantly more plausible story, but that’s not remotely consistent with the story Zimmerman told the police or that he’s been giving out to the media via his surrogates.
Since a transcript or video of his interview with the police hasn’t been released to the public that is one of the dumbest attempts at a gotcha question I’ve ever seen.
However we know what he told his dad which his dad has relayed to the media and Rene Stutzman of the Orlando Sentinel gave a detailed description of what Zimmerman told police in the video I linked to earlier.
I recommend all interested in the case watch the video.
Read up on the meaning of “or”. Then read the law again.
OK, I get where you’re going with this. Actually, there is an ear witness to this. Both voices were raised prior to this . I’m not sure the prosecution can make the leap on this but that would be the best line of prosecution. It would help immensely if any of the conversation were discernible but that was not reported unless his girlfriend’s recount is the beginning of the exchange. From that angle, Martin starts the conversation, Zimmerman answered a question with a question and then something happens that disconnects the phone. If this can be established as the beginning of the fight and shows up in his testimony then we’re back to Zimmerman’s story and it’s accuracy (absent Martin’s).
This is not a gotcha question.
Zimmerman’s father’s account is not Zimmerman’s account. What a reporter alleges is not Zimmerman’s account. What Zimmerman says is Zimmerman’s account.
If and when the trial begins, we can determine if Zimmerman’s father is giving an accurate account of what Zimmerman told him. We will also be able to determine if Zimmerman really claimed, as the reporter alleges, that he was having his head bashed for nearly a minute, or only that the fight lasted for nearly a minute, or that he never made any specific reference to how long his head was bashed and the reporter misstated what she thought he said, or something else.
Regards,
Shodan
Or that anybody but Zimmerman ever said word one about bashing heads into concrete. We’re clear on that right, Macgiver? Your silence may be taken as assent?
Yes, that’s what medical evidence is for. The documented wounds are in the right location to be consistent with his story. Do you think the prosecution will be able to dispute this?
Yes. We have not seen the EMT report yet.
Being upon his head? And these are documented wounds, you say, as compared with undocumented wounds, which we are not obliged to respect as evidence. This other kind, the documented kind, that there’s the real shit?
These wounds, they were documented by whom?
I think the prosecution in this case is trying to think of excuses to get out of this political shitstorm. Even if they are one hundred percent ethical and scrupulous, somebody’s going to think they’re lying, and will never vote for them again.
I think they will bargain. I think they will show the defense all their evidence, and plea-bargain down to something like manslaughter. Along with a threat of ninety-nine to life in the Huey Newton wing of the Stateville Prison.
I agree that’s a strong possibility.
But my instincts tell me that a conviction is a long shot. I guess it comes down to how much of a gamble Zimmerman wants to make. Manslaughter vs a 10% chance of 2nd degree murder conviction. Do you feel luck? Well, do you, punk!?
I think he is banking on the SYG hearing to get out of jail free. If he loses that, I’ll bet he takes a plea deal.
Zimmerman finally got himself a smart lawyer, it seems. Manslaughter carries 15 year sentence (or 30 if aggravated). There is no way he’d agree to it on the skimpy-to-none evidence that the prosecution apparently has.
Not necessarily true. If the impact site itself wasnt the same each time, a new wound would be created. The image looks like 2 distinct wounds, not like hamburger (which would indicate multiple impacts on the same area)
Remember, one lifts the head and drives it down. In this case, Zim was fighting him so it would make sense different impact sites would present
I would be interested to see the splatter marks on the pavement though. Additionally, he is standing when the pic was taken so the blood would drizzle like presented. Sweat, hair, hair follicles, dirt all would create a dynamic bleeding pattern
Blood on the concrete? Well, yes, sure, but its like hearing someone claim a unicorn gored him up the butt, and asking to see the brown residue on the horn.