Another non-religious Jew chiming in. I can’t stand the taste of ham or pork, as someone else said, it doesn’t seem like food to me. On the other hand I’ve managed to get over my prejudices for bacon… mm bacon
IIRC, part of the reason for some of the restrictions is to avoid accidentally eating something forbidden. Therefore, since cooked chicken could accidentally be mistaken for meat and vice-versa, chicken is considered meat. Fish, OTOH, can usually be readily distinguised from meat.
As for me, I was raised in a non-kosher household so I have always eaten pork, although I much prefer shellfish. I remember my childhood rabbi telling me that he was glad to be Reform because he loved lobster. It doesn’t mean he was not religious. It’s just that Reform Jews tend to concentrate on an interpretation of the Torah as it applies to the present day and less on how it was interpreted during the Middle Ages. However, I would definitely never deliberately seethe a kid in its mother’s milk. That just seems wrong.
Ex-Roman Catholic chiming in.
I don’t particularly like pork, but eat it occasionally. And sorry - but bacon smells far better when cooked than it actually tastes. Now, a good pork sausage patty -well, call me “Jimmy Dean!”
However, in the “old days” when ALL MEAT was forbidden by the Roman Catholic church on Fridays, my family would eat pasta or fish.
Then the Vatican changed the"laws" somewhat. You could eat meat on Fridays, but should abstain once a week - but even that has gone from tradition.
As I have mentioned here on the boards, my strongly religious, Italian grandmother was really upset.
Her beloved younger brother had been banished from her staunchly Roman Catholic home because he had eaten meat on a Friday - and now the Vatican changed this!
To her dying day, she never forgave the Roman Catholic church for causing her brother to be ejected from her house as a teenager.
One of the few anecdotes that my grandmother told my mother about WW1 was that the Jewish soldiers insisted that they couldn’t eat pork, but ‘beef with crackling’ was just fine.
My understanding is exactly the opposite. The 1885 declaration that set out the principles of Reform Judaism specifically condemned the dietary laws. Only after World War II did Reform Judaism explicitly state that it was O.K. to follow kosher laws, but it has never been required or even encouraged. I’m curious if there is anyone in this thread who was raised in a Reform congregation where members were strongly urged to keep kosher. I was always taught, based on Reform principles, that I should not keep kosher.
Well, I may be wrong. However, I seem to remember reading something about a growing trend among at least some Reform Jews to follow kashrut much closer. In the context of the Reform Judaism that I personally follow, I try to avoid pork (as I said above) but do eat it sometimes.
Not me, but a friend of mine who was raised Reform didn’t keep kosher growing up, exactly, but her family didn’t eat pork. When she got married, she and her husband decided to keep kosher, and their (Reform) rabbi went to their house to help them kasher their kitchen. They didn’t keep kosher out of the house, but in the house, they did.
This is, however, the same friend who once called me to bemoan that she’d forgotten it was Pesach and had accidentally eaten breaded shrimp at lunch. I laughed at her for like five minutes.
95% non-religious Jewish person chiming in. Ham, bacon, shrimp, lobster, cloven hooves, uncloven hooves… I’m fine with it all. I don’t eat veal, that’s pretty much my only dietary rule, and that’s mainly because of a 20/20 episode I watched when I was a kid.
God’s a got some nerve, considering He sure preferred Abel’s yummy carniverous offering over Cain’s veggies. (Joke! Joke!)
Here in Tel Aviv - very available (the supermarket across the street sells pork, for instance). Less so in the rest of the country, but you can still get it very easily.
The rule of thumb is this: the more expensive and/or trendy a place is, the less likely it is to keep kosher. I can’t remember the last time I was in a bar & grill that *didn’t *serve bacon cheeseburgers. Bear in mind that lots of Israelis - like myself - ostensibly keep kosher, but are willing to eat at non-kosher restaurants; the places themselves accomodate us by having plenty of items on the menu without non-kosher ingredients.
A lot of American Jews do the same thing. I keep kosher but eat in non-kosher restaurants. I’ll order something vegetarian, or a fish dish made with a kosher fish.
I haven’t been Jewish in the religious sense since 1958, and even before that I’d eaten pork. My parents were Reform Jews during their adult lives (raised Orthodox), and ate ham, bacon, cheeseburgers, etc. It’s only when my grandmother lived with us for a while that it became an issue.