Questions about Dirk Gently:Long Dark Tea Time of the Soul (spoilers wanted)

Okay, try this one on…going with the theory that there are mortal equivalents to the world of the gods, the boy in the attic is Odin. Odin is introduced in the chapter immediately following the one about the boy (similar to the Draycotts and Toe Rag and the GEM meeting their vehicular fates close together at the end). There are several parallels to their living arrangements - both near a window, sprawled comfortably, only getting up to walk the few steps to the bathroom, fixated on nothing but totally zoning out (sleeping or tv) and having terrible smiting power far greater than their appearance suggests.

Also, as his only son, you would think the boy would have been lavished with gifts and attention and love, but since Antsey was so focused on success and money he had just shuffled him off up to the attic and stopped thinking about him or seeing him, yet still the boy lived on. Similarly, the once worshiped gods were ignored and became torpid. (The boy lives in the small cramped attic even though Dirk sees a perfectly good unused bedroom down at the bottom of the rickety white stairway to the heavens. The description mentions a chest that had been “revived by being plunged into a vat of acid” - maybe some kind of allusion to hippies and LSD based ‘spirituality’ that supplanted the gods?)

Perhaps “Bob”, the burly cop they call in to sort him out when he’s striking out at people is Thor, who gets swatted away, and the one who comes in the van with the calming portable TV is Standish from Woodshead, or perhaps Nurse Bailey. (they mention specifically he arrives in a van, and the only other mention of vans I remember in the book is the discreet grey transport van Odin takes when he travels to and from Woodshead.

This sets up an interesting commentary, in that everything about the boy’s den of repose is dark, squalid, cheap and soulless, Odin’s rest is all perfect cleanliness and light and crisp smooth sheets. Odin has a picturesque fruit bowl he never eats and the boy is constantly shovelling down Pot Noodle. The boy’s whole world has become nothing but television and random unfulfilling consumerism (the scattered objects of desire cut from magazines and stuck to the walls).

Glad you got something out of it, Ebow. The Pugilism and the Third Autistic Cuckoo is interesting. I think I can see it both ways. The leader of the group (Pain, which seems like both a likely name for a rock star and a likely piece of some kind of underlying metaphor) says there’s an interesting story behind the name (but, Dirk says, it turned out not to be, since the story he gave was “It can mean whatever people want it to mean”) I think it might just be another example of how art and music, once inspired by or dedicated to the gods, or composed with some kind of message or emotion in mind, has possibly become just a random, acid-fueled dadaist flailing about, with no real deeper meaning derived or intended, written to sell and make money, and definitely not “divinely” inspired.

The Asimov quote reminded me of a Robert Heinlein quote, that might be just as appropriate here: “Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.”

[One other thing I just noticed - I thought the hospital was just named Woodshead so he could make the “something nasty in the woodshed” joke. But the sickness that kills the gods is the onx, the giving up the will to live and lying down until a tree grows out of their head. And that’s basically what Odin is doing…at Woodshead.]

Boy-Odin could be a good one, this would also incorporate the fact that his house is soulless…as Odin is after selling his immortal soul.
Still struggling however to understand the reference (if any,after all) to the name of the band.

Anotherd doubt i have is about the whole hot potato thing: i will try to recap mixing book explicit admissions and my guesses.

The Draycott sign a contract where they have to guarantee to Odin assistance in Woodshead and in change they gain his power (or is soul?) which they decide to divide and resell. Toe Rag, I suppose because is evil, inserts this hot potato clause: after a certain time the owner of the contract will die.

  1. Is this correct? What is the whole “SUBTOTAL” thing?

Draycott recognize the clause and quickly pass the contract on to some other guy.
2. So the owner of the contract gains Odin power (thus they all have success) but is in danger of death? This would mean that it was not Draycott choice to split Odin powers but it was forced by the hot potato clause?

Eventually anstey gets the hot potato and, probably, when he receives the coontract he is warned and Pain “overhears” these words and makes a song out of it. He credits Anstey because of the overheard conversation, and its at this point that Anstey realize hes in danger and contacts Dirk.
3. So anstey is not part of the band? He just gets the money out of this song? Does anstey wants dirk to protect him or does he wants to pass the hot potato to Dirk?

Would you please share your thoughts ?

I think the Draycott’s kept the contract (or maybe the only copy was the one Odin kept in Norway). The subtotal is not in the contract, but in a bill for his “legal” services that Toe Rag gave to Draycott. Not sure exactly what they mean by a tricky subtotal - maybe something along the lines of several basic financial charges (that Draycott wasn’t worried about finding a way to pay) somehow adding up to a human life or soul, to be collected by the Green Eyed Monster. So he had someone he had helped with his Odin-power (or sold the power to after he had what he wanted) take the bill off his hands, and it was passed from next to next down the line.

Anstey, a record executive, overheard a discussion about it, and passed lyrics on to Pugilism and the 3rd Autistic Cuckoo, one of the bands he was working with, and it became a hit, and he got a writing credit for his contribution. Dirk guesses that Anstey sold his soul to the green-eyed monster in exchange for a share of the profits from a hit record. But then, having gotten what he wanted (and perhaps not enjoyed it as much as he thought he would, perhaps because selling his soul led to his wife leaving, an alienated son, and a soul-less house), he didn’t arrange to pass it off to someone else before the deadline, and wound up being the one holding the potato when the Big One comes.
Seems pretty much everyone on the list went from being a promising, if poor creative type, to a rich but soulless and sleazy type who was very successful but no longer produced anything good.

I think once Draycott got the power and got the money and security he wanted out of it, since his intention was to never be bothered by the problems of money and power again for his wife’s sake, I think he may have “hired” Toe Rag and/or the Green Eyed Monster to sell off the rest and keep a portion of the profits streaming back to him to pay for Odin’s linen and things. Those duties (and possibly helping to broker the deal and transfer of power from Odin in the first place) are the services that Toe Rag presents his “bill” for.

The Hot Potato Clause may have been a way Toe Rag was trying to get Odin’s soul to revert back to him by killing off the Draycotts. Maybe the Subtotal thing was something along the lines of they sold their souls (and promised to keep Odin in Woodshead) in exchange for Odin’s soul. Maybe they thought it was a good deal because they didn’t have souls to begin with, but Toe Rag somehow subtotalled it in a way that made the final total both their souls (or perhaps, written “all the souls you possess”, which would have included Odin’s soul as well. )
Not sure the exact terms and arrangements are important, or if they can be derived from the text. Think it was just the basic Faustian bargain - worldly success for a given term of time, then the monster comes for your soul. Draycott thought he could get out of it by making it into a pyramid scheme, and passing it on until it was the one at the bottom of the pyramid who had to pay his soul for all the others.

That’s exactly how I understood it, too.

Thanks Whaleo for your extensive explanations… now it makes much more sense and I should probably re-read the book in Italian in order to catch everything :slight_smile: I did not understand that the Draycott contract and the Toe Rag bill were actually two different things. I was probably mislead by the fact that Draycott asserts that the Odin power is subdivided into many people and, at the same time, all the people that get the hot potato become rich and successful. So it turns out that the things are not connected, right? They are not the same people?

Still it seems strange that, after Anstey heard about this thing, he himself gets the hot potato?
PS:As for the boy in the attic, I found a review on Amazon which somehow confirms that it is one of the unresolved puzzles (unless the Boy-Odin equation works):
" The only thing I felt was left unresolved, though Adams’s resolutions are typically one to two pages and sometimes leaving you wanting, was what happened to Geoff Anstey’s son who was spellbound and remarkably violent in his TV watching. Perhaps it was just meant to be funny, but it seemed like it should have more of a role in the book. Other than that small distraction, the book actually tends to stay mostly on track (other than Kate’s trip to the mental hospital and the characters she meets there)."

Draycott’s language and Dirk’s guesses make the exact mechanism a little unclear. Hard to say how much the power is being sold to people just starting out who use it and then make it big, versus how much it’s sold to people who are already big (and thus maybe have the money to “buy” it) who then go on to make it mega-big in a soulless way (their soul perhaps being part of the price). But either way, as part of their obligation to the person who sold it to them (or, if Toe Rag was the agent, the people who let them in on the secret), they’re obligated to take over responsibility for the Hot Potato bill.

So Anstey either overheard/was told about the hot potato and didn’t understand it, or he was distracted or didn’t realize the deadline was so soon, or didn’t have time to find someone else to buy it off him, or couldn’t get anyone to buy it if they knew it was about to run out…OR…maybe the owner of his record label, one of the previous names on the list, had somehow slipped it to him, maybe hidden in the back of that gold record when he presented it to him or something. Maybe Anstey had the power, but didn’t know he had, so instead of becoming some kind of world-class rich business magnate or something, he merely unknowingly fulfilled his current, short term goal of having one of the bands he was working with have a hit song and he get some of the money. Then the monster showed up seemingly out of nowhere demanding payment within 24 hours or something and he freaked out and ran to Dirk hoping he could help him understand it and get out of it.

Just guessing, but it’s an interesting idea. Could also be that most of the others at least started with some kind of talent and drive and were creative enough to use the power in a way that brought them quick success, but that Anstey was just a record company middleman who didn’t “deserve their place on the ladder” as Draycott says, so he held onto it overlong while trying to find a way to achieve the kind of success everybody else had.

I think the boy might be just supposed to be an example of the type of person who was created by growing up in a world dominated by the art, culture and business ethics of all these unwise godlings using their soulless power with no benevolence or care, only after personal gain. A symptom of Anstey’s neglect of everything but using the works of a once-noble Muse to get money at any cost.

The people Kate meets in the clinic are just like the boy - completely overwhelmed and obsessed with the minutiae of stocks and money and celebrity to the exclusion of all their own personality or ability to engage with and contribute to the world. The last woman is actually doing something productive, (science and physics writing) but is supposedly drawing it all from great minds now long dead, in a way that hints at the existence of the supernatural, the afterlife, and things outside of cold science.

And that scene is tied to a chicken and egg problem. Perhaps Douglas Adams was trying to explore the question of whether everyone is addicted to money and entertainment because of the way the world is, or if the world is the way it is because everyone is addicted to money and entertainment. But in all cases it is as if these elements have been forced on people by seemingly super-natural means, maybe a by-product of the ways Odin’s power has been used.

Odin does not sell his soul. He sells his power and favour to the Draycotts in exchange for their helping him exist in the modern world (doing all he desires to do, sleep and be surrounded my linen). Because what Odin is offering them is so much more valuable, Toerag (who is just a sneaky goblin) adds a clause that states that the Draycotts also give up their soul and mortality as payment, but there is timer on their lives. A hot potato.

The Draycotts pass on the contract to a number of people who are greedy enough to give up their souls for wealth (as Dirk comments about Mr. Anstey’s house, it’s quite “thoulless” meaning “soulless”), but eventually Mr. Anstey ends up closing death the part of the contract.

The Draycotts offer Dirk whatever he wants (because he says he’s representing Odin in Toerag’s absence) to keep the deal going, but he turns them down and the contract ends and their luck and lives run out very quickly.

As for the question of the Welsh stones: you’d think if anybody would know the answer, it’d be a god; much like you’d think if that anything could work out an equation that equalled more than four, it’d be a calculator. Perhaps the answer to “how many stones are there in Wales” is “A suffusion of yellow” much like the answer to “life the universe and everything” is “42.”

Mundanity of mystery is a big thing in Douglas Adam’s work, just like the mystery of the Stephen King parodying writer with his hotel room chickens mystery and its mundane explanation.

Oh! I forgot this thread! Some decades ago Mister Natural was asked, “What does it all mean?”

“Don’t mean shit,” was his reply.

Hahaha…I like it! Both the connection between calculators and counting and Mr. Natural (a guy in a yellow robe first appearing in Yarrowstalks, used to cast I-Ching)
A suffision of yellow it is.

The universe has come together as only it could. (had set alerts from this thread to an email account I’d stopped using, hadn’t logged in in months, so happy to find these replies at the very top of the list when I finally checked it today)

Break out the golden beer and the yellow wine

Thanks again everyone for your time, consideration and thoughtful contributions!

Whaleo :slight_smile:

And just one more fun fact to bring it all the way around:
“Crumb has acknowledged that one inspiration for Mr. Natural was a character called The Little Hitchhiker from a comic strip called The Squirrel Cage by Gene Ahern”

I always figured the answer to the number of stones in Wales question was to give Odin a number, any number that feels right and call their bluff, “300,689,472 stones in Wales and if you don’t believe me, you can count them yourself.”

Since the soul thing has been brought up again, I’ll talk.

I’ve been listening the the audio play, and Toe Rag explicitly says that it’s his immortal soul, so I looked it up in my digital copy of the book. The old immortal says that Thor claims Odin sold his immortal soul to Man, which Dirk figures out means to a particular man.

They also flat out say that it Odin getting mortal souls would make no sense.

That’s a very poor definition. It’s not obsolete, or at least I’ve heard it used and wouldn’t be surprised to hear it used again. It would usually be used of a child, and isn’t a serious insult - “ah, you’ve spilt your food all over the floor again, you little toerag.” Similar to little rascal, though not quite as pleasant.

I always assumed the boy in the attic was the way he was because of his father’s soul-selling, which may have happened before he was born. Possibly he’ll be OK after the death of the Ansteys.