Questions about the 1990s aimed specifically at Dopers born between 1968 and 1973

A few questions about these various times put to members here born between 1968 and 1973 for the sake of posterity:

THE 1990s:

  1. What was your opinion going into the 1992 election - who did you favor early in the election - who did you ultimately vote for - and in hindsight who was the best choice?

  2. What part of the 1990s would you say is the most important, and which part is the least important? Do you subscribe to the idea that some I’ve met do, that the 90s were just a bland boring do nothing period - or on the obverse were they a really exciting era of technological evolution

  3. How effective was the environmental movement of that time?

  4. During the 16 bit era, the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis battled for the number one spot. Which did and do you support? In the 32/64 bit era, The Sony Playstation, Sega Saturn, and the Nintendo 64 Battled it out alongside a massive field which included the Atari Jaguar, Sega 3DX, Nintendo Virtual Boy, the 3DO, Phillips’ CD1 and numerous other consoles and devices. Which did you own in this era? Which is your favorite still?

  5. Why do you feel Nirvana - out of all the Seattle or alternative bands operating at that time - made the most impact?

  6. How relevant were Guns N’ Roses, Aerosmith, Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne and the like to your generation in this era (1990-1999)

  7. Was Beck huge among you?

  8. Did the Metal scene really disappear overnight with Nevermind coming out? By what year would you say the scene was dead?

  9. Was Clinton’s victory in 1996 over Bob Dole ever in doubt?

  10. Lastly, which part of the 1990s was the best for you overall:

Bush Years (1990-1993)
Clinton First Term (1993-1997
Clinton Second Term (1997-2001)

I’m using the presidential years to break the 90s into eras, not for political reasons

I can’t remember if I favored somebody who ran in the primaries against Clinton, but definitely favored Clinton over Bush.

The rise of the Internet in the 90s was incredibly important. It changed things in ways too vast to contain in a single post. Seeing this change in real time from the primarily academic internet of the early 90s to the .com bubble of the late 90s was incredibly exciting for those of us who saw the potential early on.

A few things, it wasn’t just Nirvana, but they exploded biggest and first on a national scale. An important thing to remember was that at the time nationally new music came from the radio, MTV, record stores, alternative weekly newspapers, and occasionally that cool friend who was a bit more in touch with counter culture. Sure, lots of places had music scenes, but it was extremely difficult to be in touch with the Seattle or LA scene unless you lived in Seattle or LA. If you were lucky, a cool record store turned you on to something special, but not at the Hastings or Tower Records in the mall, which is where most of us got our music.

Anyway, into all of that dropped Smells Like Teen Spirit. It got MTV and radio play. It sounded different from what came before; not in a music history sense, where you can draw a line from punk to grunge, but in the sense that it did not sound like what had been on the radio a month before. What had been on the radio a month before mostly sounded like what had been on it a year or three years before.

Why was it Nirvana instead of any of the other grunge bands? I don’t know, Cobain’s melodies and lyrics? Perfect timing, some well placed payolla? Luck (for Nirvana)?

For me personally, not at all. Those bands dropped off my radar as soon as I discovered grunge. I mean, some old 70s band and the pinnacle of hair bands? Who cares?

Beck was fun, but I think of that as later than the grunge invasion.

Sure, there was still metal, I guess.

Just like H. Clinton’s victory over Trump was certain? There’s always room for doubt, but W. Clinton is extremely charismatic and intelligent. Dole seemed to be well respected, but paled to Clinton. Reagan vs. Mondale, but if Reagan was really, really smart. I don’t recall being worried that Clinton would win.

I did very well financially in the .com bubble. Due to circumstances that have nothing to do with my own financial acumen I liquidated shortly before the bubble burst, so I escaped pretty unscathed.

Isn’t this more or less the same survey the OP posted last month? The extremely specific questions about video games were something that struck me as interesting about the previous bunch of questions.

And music. Were any of those groups ever important, or were they just niche bands with niche fandoms, just like 99% of all bands? I was born in 1972 so I’m right in the target of those questions, but I didn’t answer them because for the most part they had no relevance at all to what I thought or cared about in the 1990s. (For instance, by 1992 at the latest I had pretty much lost any interest in video games, and never got it back again.)

I don’t really remember the primaries, but definitely supported Clinton in the general.

The increase in computing power was almost unimaginable. In my CAD course I went from 286’s to pentiums. On the 286, you’d tell the computer to render a 3D view and go have lunch for a hour.

In college a housemate had a Nintendo. After my sophomore year I never played a video game until roughly 2002.

First big one and Cobain died.

Not at all. They were much more important in the 80’s. Maybe Metallica had some influence.

Not HUGE, but pretty cool.

Didn’t seem like it at the time.

Clinton 2. My time in San Diego and finishing grad school.

I’m Canadian. Most Canadians prefer the Democratic canadiate to win, but the split was not as lopsided or as vitriolic then as it is now.

The Internet arose in the late 1990s and it is the single most important socioeconomic change of our lifetimes.

It largely solved the ozone layer problem. That’s a hell of a success.

“Support” is a strong word. We had neither.

“Smells Like Teen Spirit” is why. Nirvana is not really any better a band than Pearl Jam, but in music, being the FIRST matters, and “Smells Like Teen Spirit” was the “Here’s grunge, folks” song that captured the public’s imagination. I will put Pearl Jam’s body of work up against any grunge band, but Nirvana had the best grunge single, and it was the first to hit the mainstream, and so it was the most memorable one single in addition to being the best. It had a great video. Artists rushed to cover it. It was memorably parodied by Weird Al. That stuff matters. They hit the perfect combination of things with “Smells Like Teen Spirit.” One single can define a musical act.

Gun 'N Roses were a much bigger deal than I think people remember, up to “Use Your Illusion,” which was in 1991. They were ENORMOUS, but after that petered out due to a failure to release more good music.

Aerosmith is probably the greatest American rock band of all time, and had one hit album after another, so they were very relevant. Their music was everywhere, and a lot of its was pretty good.

I didn’t care about Metallica or Ozzy.

I would guess 98% of all people of my acquaintance know “Loser” and no other Beck songs.

Metal never died. It remained very popular among metal fans.

At the time no one would have bet their house on it, but he was pretty clearly a big favourite. It wasn’t as easy a bet as Reagan in 1984, but it was an easier bet than any election since.

Easily 1997-2001.

I like question #7.
:smiley:

yeah, I think it’s all about me, sad ain’t it?

I was going to college at Nebraska in 1993-97, where we went 60-3 with three national titles. Obviously, football was the biggest story in Lincoln. Now that we suck (3 straight losing seasons), I feel like an old grandpa: “Back when I was in college, Nebraska was today’s Alabama and Clemson rolled into one!” Only we crushed SEC champs in national title bowl games.

I’ll skip a few, as video games and contemporary music weren’t much interest to me. I remember liking each new iteration of MS Flight Simulator and Sim City.

  1. 1992 election: It was my first election: and I voted for Perot. I felt like such a rebel going against the Washington establishment.

  2. I agree the rise of the internet was huge. I do recall an article in the early 90s saying we should “do something” before this super information highway gets glutted with cheap shopping and porn. Glad that didn’t come to pass ; )

  3. Nebraska is very conservative, so there was some hope that Dole would win, but not much. Funny thing was Dole was more charismatic and humorous after the election. Leno “If you could’ve done one thing differently, what would it be?” Dole: “Win!”

  4. Clinton first term, as a Cornhusker fan!

  1. I initially supported Tsongas. But, there was a comedy line from one of the late night monologues about another liberal Greek from Massachusetts is just what we need. I shifted to Clinton. I despised Jerry Brown who was a precursor of the Bernie Sanders type of asshole candidate.

  2. Most important was the dot com boom era. Least important was the fall of the Berlin Wall. Calm down, it’s a hugely important event but it is the end of the 1980s more then the 1990s. I’d say Gulf War I began the 1990s.

  3. Environmental movement hard to judge. The 1990 Earth Day anniversary was big, as Exxon Valdez was still fresh. I don’t remember environmental activism being huge, but the Democrats were in charge which helped.

  4. Never got into video games

  5. Heavy MTV AirPlay. Eurodance/techno/early hip hop was dominant and it was something new.

  6. Guns N Roses were huge until 1992 or so. Aerosmith became a movie soundtrack band

  7. Beck? No. Loser was overplayed but I did a lot of long drives with just the radio

  8. No idea about the metal scene. Gave it up in high school

  9. I knew Clinton would crush Dole. One of the news magazines compared a picture of Clinton/Gore carrying in coils of wire to wire a school to the internet while showing a picture of a causally dressed Bob Dole looking like he was heading to a single mingle in Boca.

  10. Clinton second term. So much optimism.

I think that Kurt Cobain’s dark, brooding music struck a chord with a lot of Gen-Xers. Prior to that, much of rock was hair metal bands like Motley Crue, Van Halen, Poison, etc presenting this image of life (especially teen/20-something life) as a not stop sex, drugs and alcohol party. I think a lot more young people viewed their school years as portrayed in the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit.

Personally, I liked Pearl Jam better. And after listening to Foo Fighters for awhile, I often wonder how David Grohl ever put up with Cobain.

Pretty relevant. All these bands were extremely popular through the early to mid 90s.

I wouldn’t say huge, but definitely popular (particularly his song Loser).

The “hair metal” scene seemed like it disappeared overnight. But probably also because I entered college in 1991. One minute everyone was listening to Crue and Halen. The next minute it was all grunge and jam bands.

I don’t really see how anyone can say otherwise. So i’m surprised by most of the previous responses. Guns N’ Roses Use Your illusions I/II was a huge event in '91 and all over radio and MTV. They lost momentum with the covers album and band turmoil but they were huge before then.

Aerosmith pretty much dominated MTV and rock radio throughout the decade. They launched Alicia Silverstone who was a pretty big deal in the mid '90s but for awhile was only known as the Aerosmith video girl. Ditto somewhat for Liv Tyler. Yeah they became a soundtrack band for cheesy Diane Warren penned songs for bad blockbusters but that was the end of the decade and still huge (I mean, #1 single and all).

Metallica was cooler in the '80s and they offended a lot of people by getting haircuts around 1996, but “The Black Album” also dominated radio and MTV and is one of the biggest selling albums of all-time.

Ozzy Osbourne had a huge album in '91 with a huge top 40/MTV hit and also hit a double platinum album in '95 with another hit single. Ozzfest started in '96

Yeah, so none of these bands were at their peak with the tastemakers but they were all huge and far from niche back when MTV and rock airplay meant a lot.

Born in 1970, but sounds like I don’t fit your demographic as I’m not American and never had any interest in video games.

For me, the 90s was all about BritPop and Tony Blair.

I’m the same age as you and I don’t remember it being quite as overnight as that. At least among my friends, the more accessible alternative bands were what was listened to starting around 10th/ 11th grade. So 89/90. I’m referring to Pixies, REM, the Manchester bands etc… basically the stuff that would have been featured on 120 Minutes. Then the first lollapalooza in summer '91 with Janes Addiction headlining was a big success. All this before Nevermind was released.

My point being there was already a sense of musical tastes changing, Smells like teen spirit was just sorta an exclamation point.

That’s fair. I think my high school was more dominated musically by classic rock, hard rock and metal - Led Zeppelin, Rush, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Guns & Roses, Motley Crue (or 80s pop and hip hop). But REM, U2, The Cure, and other alternative bands were popular. Definitely a lot more mullets and jean jackets than New Wave / punk haircuts

My college was a bit “preppier”, so tended to skew more towards alt rock and hippy jam band music like The Dead or Dave Mathews Band (and of course 90s pop). So it seemed like more of an abrupt change.

Define “Metal scene”. The corny glam-metal stuff disappeared pretty rapidly or were relegated to playing the county fair circuit. Other bands, Metallica for example, remained huge. For all the grumbling they received for changing their sound and look in the 90’s, they were still selling out arena’s and stadiums throughout the decade.

Also, I imagine Metallica and the other thrash bands would have winced at the ‘hair bands’ being called ‘Metal’.

THE 1990s:

FTR: born in 1968

  1. What was your opinion going into the 1992 election - who did you favor early in the election - who did you ultimately vote for - and in hindsight who was the best choice?

Republican here. I probably voted for Pat Buchanan in the primary. Bush for sure in the general. I’m not sure what hindsight would tell me–I wish a Republican had won?

  1. What part of the 1990s would you say is the most important, and which part is the least important? Do you subscribe to the idea that some I’ve met do, that the 90s were just a bland boring do nothing period - or on the obverse were they a really exciting era of technological evolution.

I’d say the putting a computer in many homes; mobile phones; internet; e-mail were the big things

  1. How effective was the environmental movement of that time?

Not really on my radar screen.

  1. During the 16 bit era, the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis battled for the number one spot. Which did and do you support? In the 32/64 bit era, The Sony Playstation, Sega Saturn, and the Nintendo 64 Battled it out alongside a massive field which included the Atari Jaguar, Sega 3DX, Nintendo Virtual Boy, the 3DO, Phillips’ CD1 and numerous other consoles and devices. Which did you own in this era? Which is your favorite still?

**I bought a Super Nintendo, for the sole purpose of beating that Mario game. The one with Yoshii and ghost houses and a feather that could make you fly. I don’t think I ever bought another game for it, and I never purchased any other system. Looking back, I guess that was kindof weird for me, as I was an arcade addict back in the 80s and had an Atari 2600 and a ColecoVision with over 50 game cartridges. But once I hit college (and especially grad school), never got into the newer gaming systems at all.

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5) Why do you feel Nirvana - out of all the Seattle or alternative bands operating at that time - made the most impact?

**I have no idea. Back in the '90s, all I listened to was Country, 50s style Oldies, and Classical. I didn’t know who Nirvana was back then. The only reason I know of them now is because Nirvana is now considered “classic rock” and they play them alongside all the Zeppelin and Floyd and Queen and Thorogood, etc. on my local radio. Can’t say I agree with that, but not my call. **

  1. How relevant were Guns N’ Roses, Aerosmith, Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne and the like to your generation in this era (1990-1999)

Well, NOW all I listen to musically is Classic Rock, so I’m a fan of some of these bands. But back then? No one I knew listened to these groups.

  1. Was Beck huge among you?

Never heard of "Beck."

  1. Did the Metal scene really disappear overnight with Nevermind coming out? By what year would you say the scene was dead?

I have no basis on which to answer this question.

  1. Was Clinton’s victory in 1996 over Bob Dole ever in doubt?

**The polls indicated Clinton was heavily favored and I did not think Dole would pull it out. Was rooting for it, but did not kid myself.

  1. Lastly, which part of the 1990s was the best for you overall:

Bush Years (1990-1993)
Clinton First Term (1993-1997
Clinton Second Term (1997-2001)

I’m using the presidential years to break the 90s into eras, not for political reasons

Based specifically on the years (not politics), I’d say “Clinton First Term” as that roughly coincided with my grad school program which was some of the best time of my life.

Don’t recall who I favored “early on”, but I ultimately voted for Perot. In hindsight, I’d say Clinton was the best choice; he was a rotten human being, but a good president.

The most important aspect of the 1990s was certainly the tech/web/internet boom. So much of today’s culture is shaped by the tech expectations set in the 1990s with the explosive creation of the World Wide Web, and the companies that have made extensive use of it are very much the economic engine that drives the world economy today as well.

Least important? Grunge music. It’s pretty much the only musical movement or innovation that is specifically associated with the decade, and I don’t think it has grown much (if at all) beyond its original foundation.

Not at all.

I’m not a gamer and never have been. My PC had always been, back then, the only platform on which I played games. (and now, it’s been joined only by my cell phone)

No idea. I think they were the best known of those bands, but as I said above, I don’t think there was really much long-term impact.

Not much to me and the people I hung out with specifically, but I’m sure I’m not representative of “my generation” when it comes to pop culture tastes and knowledge.

He wasn’t to me in particular. See answer to # 6.

Never cared for metal (unless Bon Jovi is metal) even back in its heyday, so I wouldn’t be a good person to answer that question.

Not to me. Once he won the PR battle against Newt Gingrich over the government shutdown, I figured he was a shoo-in.

Clinton I personally (met and married wife, had first child), Clinton II economically.

I was born in 1968
1). I voted for Clinton and was happy with that choice.
2) The end of the Cold War and the restructuring of Europe. ANd the beginning of the internet

  1. Not effective enough

  2. Never cared much for video games

  3. It seems to me this question is aimed towards a younger audience. When Nirvana became popular in the mid 90s, I wasn’t in my prime “caring about music” phase. I was in my late 20s, and cared more about my career, getting married and starting to have children.

  4. I like some of these groups, but for my generation (born in 1968) much more relevant were Prince, Madonna, David Bowie, Michael Jackson, etc

  5. I couldn’t even tell you who Beck is.

  6. No idea, I was never into the metal scene

  7. All victories are in doubt

  8. During the Bush years I was in the Peace Corps and this was one of the most exciting and meaningful times of my life. During Clinton’s first term I was establishing my career, this was important long-term, but not super exciting. During Clinton’s second term I was having babies, which is very exciting, exhausting, etc.