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Where did the space for the universe come from?
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Where did matter come from?
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Where did the laws of the universe come from (thermodynamics,gravity, inertia,ect.)?
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How did matter get so PERFECTLY organized?
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Where did the energy to do the organizing come from?
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With what did the first cell capable of reproduction reproduce?
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When, where, why and how did the first single-celled plants become multi-celled plants? Where are the 2 and 3 celled intermediates?
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How did the intermediate forms live?
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How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants develope mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice or by design?
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How did photosynthesis evolve?
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How did thought evolve?
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How did flowering plants evolve? and from what?
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What about the Coelacanth?
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Do you honestly belive that something came from nothing?
Well, either things did come from nothing or a creator saw fit to create trolls. I’m going with the former.
Don’t get me wrong–I love life. I’m just finding it harder and harder to keep myself amused.
Can’t wait to see this! Jedi, are sure you’re trained properly for this type of battle?
We’re all here, because we’re not all there!
Again, I beg of you, read a basic science book.
Anyone who thinks matter is perfectly organized has seen neither my desk nor my wife’s closet.
I’m snipping the questions I don’t know the answer to.
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Where did the space for the universe come from?
Space doesn’t come from anywhere. It’s what there is when there isn’t any matter. -
Where did matter come from?
Good question. I don’t know. One theory is that matter and anti-matter both were created at the same time, by a massive expenditure of energy. I don’t know where the energy came from either. -
How did matter get so PERFECTLY organized?
I didn’t think it was perfectly organized. If I had wanted it perfectly organized, I would make the periodic table a big square, with lots of mnemonic devices built in, like, all the gasses would be on the left, and the solids on the right. Plus, there would be more room-temperature liquids. Semi-conductors would all occupy the bottom. That way it would be either for chemistry students.
Another thing, electron orbitals wouldn’t be some complicated. There are too many orbitals. Also I don’t like it that you can’t tell exactly where an electron is most of the time. I’d put little beacons in them to give away their exact location and speed. That would be perfect.
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With what did the first cell capable of reproduction reproduce?
The first cell probably reproduced into a pair of identical daughters. That is mitosis, as I remember it. -
When, where, why and how did the first single-celled plants become multi-celled plants? Where are the 2 and 3 celled intermediates?
I don’t know of any 2- and 3-celled organisms, but there are plenty of colony organisms that are hybrids between a bunch of cells of the same species, hanging together, and single multi-cell organism. Colony organisms are thought to have evolved by several one-celled organisms attaching themselves to one another in an ocean environment, and beginning to specialise. Some cells began to specialise in forming the organisms outer wall; some, on the inner wall, specialized in processing food matter into more digestible basic foods. So it was a primitive form of symbiosis. -
How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants develope mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice or by design?
As I understand it, mimicry usually begins accidentally and is reinforced by natural selection. If an insect is born as a freak, accidentally looking like an insect whose physiology contains chemicals poisonous to potential predators, that “freak” insect will have an advantage in competing with others of its species, since others of its species are more likely to get eaten. I know a lot less about plants, but I believe mimicry developed much the same way in plants. -
How did thought evolve?
Animals with more highly developed central nerve columns would be more adaptable to a variety of survival situations. Moths fly into candles and get incinerated because they are too stupid to figure out that the candles are not the sun; birds navigate celestially as well, but they are never stupid enough to fly into a candle (some weird radio tower events notwithstanding).
Thought is our word for the most advance nervous-system processes. Humans went beyond tool-using and simple communication of desires to language, planning, and tool design. It gives us an advantage, and allows us to live in the widest variety of environments.
The question might be asked, why are humans self-aware? Well, I don’t know that they are, I only know that I am.
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What about the Coelacanth?
The Coelacanth resembles a lot of really old fossils. Since we saw fossil evidence for these fish, but none of the fish themselves were found, it was assumed they had gone extinct. I am told there are still Doobie Brothers fans as well. When live Coelacanths were found off the coast of Africa, it just demonstrated that they can live in modern environments, pretty much unchanged from ancient times. Their ecological niche has lasted a very long time, and they are quite well-adapted. -
Do you honestly belive that something came from nothing?
I believe that matter can come from nothing, so long as an equal mass of anti-matter is created simultaneously.
I have but one question for the creationist: where did God come from?
Now that you mention it, the coelacanth does strangely resemble most Doobie Brothers fans I’ve ever seen. Convergent evolution? 
As long as we’re on the subject:
But what a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away
What seems to be
Is always better than nothing
And nothing at all keeps sending him…
What a Fool Believes
The Doobie Brothers.
Livin’ on Tums, Vitamin E and Rogaine
Boris B,
It seems like you are straining on a gnat and swollow a camel.
But, to answer you question about where did God come from…God has always been!
This is where we run into a paradox it seems we are both religous…men of faith.
I belive the universe has an architect and you belive it came from nothing but an exlosion of nothing. Both take faith, so I ask you to review my first statement.
Jedi-667
Jedi, your name isn’t really Björn, is it?
Look, do you want to debate your views on creationism? Or do you just want to say “I’m right and you’re wrong, neener neener neener?”
The answers to your questions have been addressed by many people at many times. If you don’t believe them, fine. I don’t care what you believe. But don’t post a question and simply say “you’re wrong” when someone answers it.
-andros-
Like Boris, I am only going to speak on topics I know something about.
Questions 1-2 indicate you know little about physics, even less than I do, young Jedi. What we call space IS matter; even though it is nearly vacuum, there are a few stray atoms floating about. As to where that matter came from, I suggest you review some current theories in cosmology.
Question 4: Perfect? For what or for whom? Ask any survivor of an earthquake or a hurricane about the “perfect“ organization of matter. The question is essentially meaningless since “perfection“ depends upon the viewer. I think Cindy Crawford is the perfect woman, but others disagree with me.
Question 5: Most of the energy for the processes of this universe comes from natural fusion reactors. We call them stars.
Question 6: This question is extremely poorly phrased so I am not sure exactly what you mean. However, some organisms reproduce asexually. I believe the potato is an example of a higher species of plant that can do so.
Question 7: Not only do you need to study English more, you also need to study math. By definition, two- and three-celled creatures ARE multi-celled creatures.
Question 8: What the hell does this have to do with evolution?
Question 13: What about the coelecanth? Again, I am guessing, but I assume you mean that its existence since the Cretaceous means evolution cannot have occured.
Jedi, I hate to break it to you, but several other creatures have survived since the Cretaceous or even earlier eras with only minimal changes. Among them are some species of cycades, the horseshoe crab and the cockroach. Also, if you look at shark fossils from about 400 million years ago, you will find that they differ very little from modern shark skeletons.
Hey, Jedi, why would you do such a thing? You know it’s just gonna lead to a fight.
I (representing evolutionists in general) did not ask for your opinion and I do not appreciate your hostility toward my beliefs.
P.S. We are both atheists, I simply believe in one less god than you. When you understand why you do not believe in other gods, then you will understand why I don’t believe in yours.
– unknown
White Wolf
“Death is the only inescapable, unavoidable, sure thing. We are sentenced to die the day we’re born.” -Gary Mark Gilmore
Jedi
Everyone’s beliefs will seem odd to the person who doesn’t hold them. Hindus believe Ayodhya is the birthplace of Ram. Muslims do not. What do Christians believe?
I can’t answer the toughest questions about the nature of the universe. If I believed the universe had an architect, I still wouldn’t be able to. Why are there introns in DNA? Isn’t that a waste of information? Why do men have nipples? When I was a child, I asked God these questions, and I never got an answer. I did not become an athiest. I have become an agnostic. In the absense of direct messages from God, I find scientists more convincing than preachers.
The Peyote Coyote
I think “multi” means “more than two”. So a two-celled organism would be in a gray area. Three-celled organisms would just barely be multi-celled…
Nothing I write about any person or group should be applied to a larger group.
- Boris Badenov
[quote}1. Where did the space for the universe come from?
2. Where did matter come from?
3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (thermodynamics,gravity, inertia,ect.)?
4. How did matter get so PERFECTLY organized?
5. Where did the energy to do the organizing come from? [/quote]
Well, I personally believe that God started this whole shebang and set up the laws of physics. I believe He did things the way He did so that chemical reactions on at least one planet would eventually lead to intelligent life that could look around and appreciate the amount of detail He built into the place. This, of course, has nothing to do with biology or the development of the varieties of life on Earth.
The best models seem to indicate that the first self-replicators were either RNA or protein-based chemicals. By the time life developed a cellular membrane, it seems that it had “settled” on using DNA ( a modification of the RNA) to carry its chemical signatures. This is a fascinating area for study, and I think that the people looking into it have dine marvelous work for such a young discipline.
Plants are pretty easy. Even today you can find algaes which are nothing more than chains or mats of cells which are all still capable of independent life as a unicellular organism. As the colonial algae start out as a single cell, reproduce and the daughter cells stay in contact with each other (the better to monopolize a favorable environment) it would seem that the two-celled stage is only present between the one-celled and the four-celled.
I am more familiar with mimicry in the cases of insects and reptiles. Do you have any specific examples of “mimicking plants” in mind? I cannot come up with any myself. Thank you.
As a modification of the life processes of the thermophile bacteria. These bacteria use environmental heat to build food molecules from the simpler compounds in their environment. Looks like one strain of them had a mutation that allowed them to drive their engines with electromagnetic radiation in what is now the visible band.
Define “thought” and we can discuss this.
Flowering plants evolved from plants that put brightly colored leaves aroung the fleshy coverings on their seeds. The plants that developed the fleshy coverings on their seeds evolved from plants that had bare seeds. Some of the plants that had bare seeds “found” that if they protect their seeds with a covering they lose less seeds to herbivores. Some of those found that if the make their seeds less digestible but make the covering out of something that passes through an animal’s digestive track quickly then they can bride the animals into distributing their seeds more widely than just depending on the wind. Each stage was a minor modification of the former.
What about it? Damn ugly fish. Not closely related to the lobe-fins in the fossil record. Seems to have moved into the deepest waters and out of the fossil record at about the same time that some of its relatives moved into shallow water and became amphibians.
Nope.
Dr. Fidelius, Charlatan
Associate Curator Anomalous Paleontology, Miskatonic University
“You cannot reason a man out of a position he did not reach through reason.”
Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti…
Actually, Boris, “multicellular” in biological terms usually means “having many cells.” So I think differentiating between 2-celled critters and multicellular critters is not entirely unreasonable.
Hey, andros, I thought that’s what I said! Seriously though, I think we agree here, but I can’t figure out a way to put it elegantly.
Nothing I write about any person or group should be applied to a larger group.
- Boris Badenov
No problem, darlink. Come, let us capture evil multicellular Moose and Squirrel. (Not you, SqrlCub! ;))
There aren’t any two-celled organisms because that isn’t a very efficient way to live. What can two cells do for each other that one cell couldn’t do for itself? Algae, sponges, and slime molds, the most simple multicellular organisms from the kingdoms Plantae, Animalia, and Fungi, respectively, occupy a grey area in which large numbers of more or less unspecialized cells group together for stability. A big mat of algae can photosynthesize more efficiently than a bunch of dispersed cells, even though it’s still essentially every cell for itself. Having just two or three cells adds no stability or efficiency, and they could absorb nutrients better if they separated. That’s why there are no two or three-celled organisms. The “intermediate forms” argument that you appear to be driving at works just as badly here as it does everywhere else.
Modest? You bet I’m modest! I am the queen of modesty!
QUESTIONS FOR THE CREATIONIST …
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Where did the space for God come from?
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Where did God come from?
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Where did the laws of God come from (The Ten Commandments, etc.)?
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How did God get so PERFECTLY organized?
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Where God get the energy to do the organizing?
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With what did the first cell capable of reproduction reproduce?
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Why did God create intermediate forms?
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How did God keep the intermediate forms alive?
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How would God explain mimicry? Did God give then mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice or by design?
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Why did God create photosynthesis?
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How did God create thought?
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How did God create flowering plants ? and from what?
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What about Satan?
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Do you honestly believe that something came from nothing?
Saint Eutychus
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