So again I’ll ask; who was the OP aimed at? Who on the Dope has claimed that MAGA will result in the US breaking up into feudal states?
And the OP asks follow up questions like “what do you think will replace what we currently have going on”, which makes me disinclined to think it’s asking about the long game of what the US will be like in a century or two.
But whatever, I’ll just bow out of this thread then. It seems like a strawman to me, but if there are people here who believe in this claim, they can make themselves known.
And it could also happen internally; people keep talking about a civil war, but a civil war would almost certainly be a nuclear one. And one where the weapons are targeted to kill as many people as possible. That’s what Hitler would have done if he’d had nukes during the fall of Nazi Germany after all, and Hitler is their hero and role model.
As I said previously, “Collapse” is a relative term. People are defining it in a variety of ways that aren’t mutually consistent.
Your contribution is arguably within the context of definitions, if on the very mild use of the word. Most people positing collapse are much further along in the spectrum of doom.
A lessening of global influence and economic downside with international relations greatly diminished and the federal government services drastically reduced, with harsh impacts on the livelihoods and health of many (most?) Americans is not quite a collapse, but would be a dramatic affect on our lives even if arguably we still operated under the same nominal government system.
But a lot of people feel that since Trump et al have buggered the Constitution and are working to make elections futile, our Democracy is effectively dying off not already dead. If so, it will take extraordinary measures to restore something rational and not oppressive. Instead of fighting to get back to the system as it was, we should be looking at this as an opportunity to remake the government in a better image.
Take the principles and values espoused by the founders as interpreted through a modern, inclusive lens, and draft a new government that gets rid of many of the flaws exposed in this one. Sort of on the scale of rethinking the system like the Constitutional Convention did from the Articles of Confederation.
I think that is the scope of what @Czarcasm was asking about.
The Right is much more powerful than the Left in the US; if the government is remade after a collapse it’ll be made in their image. Not that of the Left.
Agreed. I’m just disputing that a literal ‘burn it all down’ is necessary.
It only takes a minor downturn for the public to lose faith in a political movement. Arguably inflation alone was enough for the public to turn away from Biden, just as it was for incumbents all around the world.
But I am not talking about a minor downturn.
I’m talking about a worse depression than the 1930s. Where the public experiences pain and starts to get disillusioned with MAGA, but then there’s more pain, and then more pain, and no-one knows when it will end. And every day there’s more bad news and more humiliation on the international stage.
To the point that virtually all Americans see MAGA as like jonestown, because it is. And other countries look at the US and recoil at the idea of a populist, reality-denying leader.
If even some of us left leaners are adopting accelerationist feelings, some of the blame has to go to the Democratic Party for its unwillingness to address and champion necessary systemic change that will empower voters over party politicians.
It is not exactly unthinkable, but it is problematic. Nuking Irkutsk is imaginable, because no one “we” know lives there, but when it comes to turning Portland Oregon into a glass parking lot, many Americans know one or two Portlanders. Some of them in the military – people who have to pull the last trigger. Felon-ONE will run into difficulty there, no matter how hard he strives to pack the armed forces with Generals Jack Ripper.
It is clearly a source of frustration that there are all these awesome flashboom toys that he has to refrain from using. The RW mindset seems to trend toward breaking troublesome persons the way we break horses, but the overall effects of trying to clamp down on them usually result in significant backlash. And once the greater fraction of the country finally realizes that the Felon is utterly, dangerously insane, his grip on power will rapidly break apart. He would have the chaos he loves so much, but he would not be able to make use of it.
We really do not know how far over the edge he might actually try to go, and nuking American cities is an unlikely but still a distinct possibility. Everyone will strive to dissuade him from issuing such an order and may even work to preempt it, we must not assume that he is not that unstable.
On the other hand, I’ve taken it as nearly a given since I was a kid that at some point California would be carpet bombed with nukes by the right wing, and any survivors gunned down by the infantry. With outright orgasmic enthusiasm, not with reluctance.
This is not Penthouse Forum but this is a warning and you are banned from this thread. Stop polluting this board with your weird sexual fetishes about rape and death.
