Not “turn” as in “rotate”, “turn” as in “change”. The seal changes the clay by imprinting upon it. The verse is saying that the Earth is imprinted much like a seal changes a blank slab of clay.
Yes I understand the way the word ‘turn’ can be used, but you are only guessing as to your interpretation.
It is also interesting to consider the views of the ‘early Church’ to ascertain how they interpreted the passages we are discussing.
Donald Simanek's Pages; science, pseudoscience, education, humor. says “The early Christian Church accepted Aristotle’s spherical earth. But a few malcontents within the Church pointed out that the Bible speaks of ‘the four corners’ of the earth. In the 5th century CE the monk Cosmas Indicopleustes, in his Christian Topography, described a square earth with a heavenly vault, much like the Egyptian model. Tertulian also was a flat-earther.”
“From Late Antiquity, and from the beginnings of Christian theology, knowledge of the sphericity of the Earth had become widespread…” Flat Earth - Wikipedia
and “Europe’s view of the shape of the Earth in Late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages may be best expressed by the writings of early Christian scholars:”
which goes on to quote Boethius, Bede etc.
“A non-literary but graphic indication that people in the Middle Ages believed that the Earth (or perhaps the world) was a sphere, is the use of the orb (globus cruciger) in the regalia of many kingdoms and of the Holy Roman Empire.”
Actually, given that of all the English translations of the bible except ther KJV use different verbs, none of which have anything to do with “turning” or “rotary motion,” you need to be “guessing” (or inventing) your odd interpretation.
What point did you think you were making? Aside from a couple of odd people, the majority of Christians accepted the shperical nature of the earth–a shape that was known by the pagans as early as Aristotle (as your own link points out).
So, the pagans recognized the spherical shape of the earth.
The educated Christians accepted that same understanding.
No “scientists” challenged that belief (an error you refuse to recant).
And all the references to the bible in your first link agree with your opponents, here, that the bible portrays the earth as flat.
Well, it is true that I generally choose to “interpret” words using the meanings that they actually convey. I realize that you do not feel bound by that convention, but the overwhelming majority of people, Christian, Jewish, Atheist, or whatever, are on my side for this one.
False. The bible rarely speaks of the shape of the earth, but only uses a flat circle when it does. Never the word “round” that you keep using in error.
False, as the links in your Post #1063 demonstrate.
False. Again, as your own links in Post #1063 indicate, most early church leaders looked to the knowledge from the pagan philosophers for their understanding of the shape of the earth, while the few who argued for a flat earth did so from their reading of the bible.
1> Wrong. The Bible does not speak of a ‘flat’ circle. It speaks of a ‘circle’. A circle is round. The earth is commonly described as ‘round’.
2> Wrong. Those posts speak of a ‘few malcontents’.
3> Wrong. Quote “From Late Antiquity, and from the beginnings of Christian theology, knowledge of the sphericity of the Earth had become widespread…”. Requote: “the beginnings of Christian theology…”
“Further proof of the Earth being round came after the voyage of Columbus.”
“If the Earth were not round, whole hemispheres would have different atmospheric pressure and significantly different sea levels. Also, pictures taken of the Earth in the last 50 years have proved absolutely conclusively that the Earth is round.”
“When Christopher Columbus proposed to reach India by sailing west from Spain, he too knew that the Earth was round.”
You’ll need to write these people, and the countless others who also speak of the earth as being round, and tell them they’re wrong.
If you are asked to draw a circle, what do you draw?
If you are told to turn in a circle, how do you turn?
Do you envision a fairy circle to be a globe?
Is the Arctic Circle ball-shaped?
Is it silly to even discuss this?
The issue is not that the world may be described, (in English) as “round.” The issue is that you falsly claim that the bible says that the world is “round” when the only images used in the bible are those that employ the word for a two-dimensional (flat) circle.
That you continue to harp on the English word “round” indicates that you are either truly lacking in knowledge or that you are trolling–and I am beginning to get the strong suspicion that is is the latter.