Just a whiny bag of excuses, aren’t you? Looking at a map, seems to me that one could walk there from lower Manhattan within a half an hour, easily, but as Fear Itself pointed out–that’s probably not conveeeeenient.
Also, I thought you guys had these magical underground trains that could whisk you there within mere minutes, but I suppose this was just a thing made up for the movies.
I find that college/uni campuses and corporate parks at night ar good places to run, provided that you do so at night: low traffic density.
Wear reflective clothing, run into/against the motor traffic flow: not to help them, but to help yourself dodge more effectively.
I have yet to meet a sidewalk that I’d wiling run on: trip hazards, irregular breaks in the sidewalks, slow walkers, improperly secured pets, over-hanging vegetation, …
And the asphalt is much softer than the concrete.
As for parks and tracks and such, they’ve been co-opted by the sk8tr d00ds, geriatric zombie packs (slow type zombies), walkers, bicycles, pets, children.
I prefer late-night asphalt.
Half hour? Really? Look at the map again and realize that the distances on the map are actually representations of larger distances in real life. It isn’t actually just an inch from lower Manhattan to Central Park. It’s more than five miles. Now, I can jog five miles in a just over half an hour (for those of you doing the math, that’s a good bit faster than a walk or even a jog), which is what I do when I jog in Central Park.
And, why would I waste time taking a subway there, when I can just legally and safely jog the road to get there? Five miles there, five miles back and ten miles in the park and I have my 20 miler marathon prep runs. Seems silly to take a subway there. But, since you are taking an interest in my runs, I tend to run a little more than a mile from lower Manhattan around Battery Park City over to the west side highway. There’s a path there which runs all the way up to the GWB. But, I do that mile on the road, and the drivers don’t seem to mind at all. Never had a problem. Seems that only a handful of whiny people here have a problem with it, while real life people have learned to share.
Cars move at about 15 mph on the streets of Manhattan. Has nothing to do with joggers. If you can’t avoid a jogger at 15 mph, then you should have your license revoked.
Because it is illegal in New York State:
It does not give any provision for running; if sidewalks may be used, you must stay on them, even if that means you must walk. You are not above the law simply because you desire to run.
And round and round we go:
S 1156. Pedestrians on roadways. (a) Where sidewalks are provided and
they may be used with safety it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to
walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.
(b) Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and
upon a highway shall when practicable walk only on the left side of the
roadway or its shoulder facing traffic which may approach from the
opposite direction. Upon the approach of any vehicle from the opposite
direction, such pedestrian shall move as far to the left as is
practicable.
(bolding mine)
Here’s a lovely group of pictures from Ted’s trip to Manhattanfor the anniversary of 9/11:
http://www.teddwebb.com/scrapbook/9-11-2002/index-3.html
Now, I don’t know Ted, though he looks like a nice enough guy in the third picture. But, I venture to guess that he had a hard time safely walking on the sidewalk, judging from these images. I also guess that had Ted gone for a jog in the street, the police would have been pretty understanding about his invoking the “with safety” clause. He would have been a menace to break dancers, break dance afficianados, and people at a memorial (not to mention street vendors and tourists purchasing fake Louis Vuitton bags) had he gone running on the sidewalk.
Again, never had a problem. Never had a ticket. Omnipresent police smile and give me the “How’s it goin’?” nod as I jog by. It’s illegal only in your head.
Unless the sidewalks are damaged, blocked or under construction, sidewalks are safely usable. That means walking. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that just because you find them unusable for running, you have license to run in the road. You do not have the right to run anywhere you want to; if running creates an unsafe condition, you must walk. Your arrogant demand to run, no matter what the conditions, or how it endangers others, is typical of the runners I am talking about.
Strawman. I have never claimed the right to run anywhere I want. I have claimed the right to “when practicable walk only on the left side of the
roadway or its shoulder facing traffic which may approach from the
opposite direction. Upon the approach of any vehicle from the opposite
direction, such pedestrian shall move as far to the left as is
practicable.” As outlined in S1156b above.
Find a law to support that opinion.
By the way, the law in New York also requires me to honk at you if you are running in the roadway, if I feel it is necessary, . I do it for your safety and mine.
You may not like it, you may feel endangered, but it is the law.
I already did. You must use the sidewalk when it is safe. It is safe to walk, therefore you must walk.
That’s an interesting interpretation, and semantically defensible. But, I’m going to continue complying with the way that the NYC Police Department interprets the law.
No. That is not how the law reads. It’s not when you feel it’s necessary. It’s when it is necessary.
Making people dive to the curb isn’t necessary.
Warning them when a collision is imminent is necessary.
There is nothing in the law about your feelings. You must exercise due discretion. If you fail to do so, you are violating the law and endangering others. As my police cite shows, you should be reported if you fail to use reasonable discretion. You may be guilty of harassment, reckless driving, or endangerment.
You are attempting to play semantic games with the law. However, the simple fact that gratuitous honking the horn and startling joggers so that they dive for the curve is indefensible. You don’t know which way they may jump. They may jump into traffic. You could easily get someone hurt or killed.
It’s not funny. It’s not necessary, and it’s certainly not legal. It’s simply being an asshole.
Actually, there’s also quite a few signs up around Manhattan explicitly prohibiting horn honking in the area.
My honking is never gratuitous. The circumstances in which I use my horn are limited to when I must take evasive action in order to exercise due care. If I can pass a runner safely without having to avoid them, I don’t honk. The fact that I take some glee on the occasions when I do honk is apparently what torques you off. But it is only in your twisted little morality, where virtue must be accompanied by feelings of guilt and shame, while all pleasure is surely a sign of sin. I reject that morality.
If a runner is so disoriented by endorphin that they cannot control their movements to that extent, they have no business in public, whether on the road or sidewalk.
So, basically you’re suggesting that Ted go jogging down Broadway in the middle of Times Square. That is your “safe” alternative? You’re not Evel Kneivel in disguise, are you?
Just for the record, I live in Manhattan, and people jog down MY sidewalks all the time, it is a rare bird that runs in the street. I also generally drive at least 5mph over the speed limit, and haven’t gotten a ticket yet for that. Speeding is still illegal.
To make it even more clear. The fact that you haven’t been cited for your conduct does not make your conduct legal, regardless of who has witnessed your actions. The only lawyer that has weighed in so far has come down on the pro-sidewalk side. You argue against him, you also argued against a law dictionary on the legal definition of “practicable”.
At this point, the only thing that will convince you of this being illegal is the Mayor himself telling you so. Call him up, I hear his number is in the phone book. 
That’s not what I’m suggesting. But you knew that.
Here’s, again, what I’m suggesting:
(b) Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and
upon a highway shall when practicable** walk only on the left side of the
roadway or its shoulder facing traffic which may approach from the
opposite direction. Upon the approach of any vehicle from the opposite
direction, such pedestrian shall move as far to the left as is
practicable**.
Bolding, again, mine.
Underlining mine; there are sidewalks in all the pictures you posted, and while crowded, there is room for any careful person to walk by; all you have to do is say “Excuse me”, and you will be amazed at what happens. Perhaps that is new experience for some joggers. Therefore, according to your cite, you must use the sidewalk. If you can’t run safely, you must walk. You still don’t have any legal license to run in the roadway.
I feel like we’ve done this before, and not seen eye to eye, so what’s the point?
Listen, you’re selfish and don’t know how to share. I’ve never run into similar people in my hours of road running, and I suspect you are a rarity. But, the world needs people like that, so don’t ever change. Without people like you, the last piece of pizza would always go uneaten, and everyone at a wedding would uncomfortably stand around not wanting to be the first person on the buffet line. Control your rage a bit (which, like Scylla, I suspect you do in real life), and I have no beef with you.
What do you disagree with in my most recent post? How does your cite apply, if there are sidewalks available? You position is indefensible, so you, like** Scylla**, are resorting to ad hominems out of frustration. I guess you go with the best you have left…
Is this a serious question or a rhetorical one? If the former, I’ll answer.
Excellent. This of course bears no resemblance to what you originally presented, but that’s fine.
No. As I mentioned. I don’t beleive you actually do it. The kind of person that would post about taking glee in causing distress in others, likely doesn’t have the gut, not even when locked inside his car.
What bothers me is your harassment and endangerment of other people. That is, until you changed your story.
So you take glee in scaring or maybe killing them. Yes, it’s pretty clear that as you said, you’re rejecting morality.