Nobody is arguing that you can’t use the street if the sidewalks are not available, we’re arguing that you are considering them unavailable when they are not. The only problem with a crowded sidewalk is that you can’t go as fast as you want to without running people over. Scylla’s only problem with a sidewalk is that it makes his knees hurt. Does that make them inconvenient or less than ideal? Of course it does. Does that make them “unsafe” or “not practicable”? That’s where we are going around and around, and I don’t think it’s worth hashing over again, I will just agree to disagree.
Please post a quote of my “original story” or retract this fabrication. Again. Don’t make me report you again, young man.
Here is my original post:
How is this different from what I am saying now? Geez, Scylla, you better check your Alzheimer’s medication again, you losing what little faculties of memory you ever had.
I’ll try once, and then agree to disagree as you seem to be reasonable, and non-frothing here.
I have no knee problems, so I won’t resort to that argument! Though, I wouldn’t disagree with it, necessarily.
You said you live in Manhattan, correct? Do you honestly think that it be practicable to run on the sidewalk? Would it be safe to run on the sidewalk with slow (very slow) moving pedestrians for either the runner or the others? I believe it to be both unsafe and not practicable in Manhattan. If I’m running elsewhere, and there is a wide open sidewalk with no barriers, I’d be more than glad to run on it.
But the law makes allowance for road running when necessary. It very clearly allows pedestrians on the roadway under circumstances of “safety”. Seems that this word is being allowed to be interpreted by the pedestrian. Otherwise, why not make the law “Thou shall not run on the sidewalk.”?
My best evidence is that no one I know has ever been cited. As you note, that’s not good evidence, but for my position of proving a negative, it is the best that I can ever hope to do. Do you have cites (or experience) with people being cited when running on the road in Manhattan when the sidewalk was not practicable?
Should have read “Thou shall not run on the road.”
No you won’t. Just like last time, we’ll go round and round about whether the tone of my questions meet your standards, and in the end, you won’t answer them anyway. Do what you wish, and I will let the gentle readers of this thread decide who the asshole is.
Shhh. Cheesesteak is disagreeing with me like an grown up and not a frothing lunatic.
See? I knew you wouldn’t answer my questions!
As for running in Manhattan, I saw a girl jogging on the sidewalk down 3rd ave at 86th St just today. I see people jogging fairly often on the sidewalk, rarely on the street, but my area is generally less crowded than places like Midtown or the Villiage. Of course, I wouldn’t jog on the street in those areas without wearing the Ursus VI.
As for the wording of the law… obviously the lawmakers are interested in making it allowable to walk on the street, or shoulder, so you can’t make a blanket rule against. Whether the sidewalk exists is a matter of fact, whether it is safe/practicable to use will be a matter of opinion, both here and in court.
Fiveyearlurker is to jogging what lucwarm was to tailgating.
Jeez, Fear, you were so far ahead of Scylla on points, all you had to do was a little rope-a-dope to win the match. But you’ve managed to screw it up.
Oh, and Five is still an idiot.
My. You’re quite the little tattle tale, aren’t you? Be my guest you whiny little pussy. It’s just like the way you like to terrorize joggers when you’re hiding inside a nice big automobile having fantasies about grinding them under your tires. You’re weak and powerless little whiny pussy and in one scenario you honk your horn and run away, and in the other you whine to a moderator.
In either case your personally impotent.
Meh. Your lame invective is getting repetitive. Now get off my road.
Before things got off topic into hurling insults around drivers/pedestrians motiviations, I think the question Scylla raised is that running/jogging is not equal, under the law, to walking.
Fact is, I’ve been searching some of the sites discussed in this thread already, and in New Hampshire and Illinois, I can find no distinction whatsoever of pedestrian modes of transportation.
In Ohio, title 371.05 (warning: PDF) concerns pedestrians on roadways, and could be identical to Illinois and New Hampshire, except they change “walk” to “walk, run or jog”.
In California’s Driver Handbook, they make the explicit footnote that joggers must obey pedestrian rules.
And finally, from the Road Runners website (Scylla’s own source), their Q&A section once tackled the question of a jogger forced out of a bicycle lane. A Florida police officer, and fellow jogger, calls the action “technically correct” and cites relevant Florida law regarding pedestrians in roadways. Again, it mentions walking, not running or jogging, yet the officer’s response implies the law applies.
I’m sorry, Scylla, I can find no evidence that there is a legal distinction between pedestrians running, jogging or walking. I would suggest any local authority claiming otherwise might be either mistaken, or simply interpreting the “other circumstances” clause differently (than other LEO might).