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I agree with this. In the interviews that I’ve seen, she comes across as unpolished, perhaps not well educated, but certainly not stupid. She has some insightful viewpoints; they just aren’t well articulated.
I am curious about how she will get into a university with only a pledged full-ride scholarship. She will still need to meet minimum admission requirements, and I read somewhere that she doesn’t even have a GED. She has a lot of work ahead of her. I’ll just say that, and wish her well.
I have a tangentially related question:
Nowadays, is the student body of these “black” colleges made up mostly of African Americans(that is, the descendants of slaves here in America) or 1st-3rd generation Africans?
It seems to me that the African American community is very ready and willing to accept into their communities recent African immigrants, even though there may be many cultural differences. I could be mistaken but that’s my impression.
If speaking multiple languages is the central metric for measuring intelligence then I suppose she’s a genius (I speak three languages, by the way).
Speaking pragmatically though, she slurred and mumbled her words, couldn’t read English and used the word “retarded” in the courtroom. I’d say any judgment against her intelligence is fair and any defense of it is reaching.
Speaking pragmatically I’d say you have no idea how to judge a person’s intelligence. Slurring and mumbling have nothing to with intelligence levels, nor does the use of the word “retarded”. I don’t know when she used the word, but I can think of several ways it may have been apt.
The medical examiner Dr. Bao was very difficult to understand, his words were distorted, and at times did not seem to understand the judges instructions. Is he unintelligent?
Retarded isn’t a very nice word, but that guy was totally being retarded. So props to Ms. Jeantel for calling it like it is. And she wasn’t slurring her words or whatever, she has an accent. That doesn’t make her stupid. She seems uneducated, which is why it’s great she’s been offered an education. I don’t know how anyone could object to her getting an education.
I don’t object to her getting an education, I object to the assertion that she is “very smart” and “very clever”. At best there was nothing that indicated that and at worst there was evidence directly against it.
I’ll go one step further and say that judgments against her intelligence don’t stem from prejudice, but the rabid defense of her unique form of intelligence probably stem from white guilt.
What basis do you have for a statement like that? So far you have not been able to provide a reasonable basis upon which to judge her intelligence. I do not see any indication of a rabid defense, which isn’t necessary when the simpler defense is pointing how how you have been wrong. I do not why anyone calls her form of intelligence unique because there is no indication that it is. Finally, what possible basis do you have to conclude that something you refer to as *white guilt *is at play here.
Ooookay then. We have nothing more to discuss.
:rolleyes:
That’s the second time that you’ve excused yourself from a discussion in this thread over a difference in opinions which reaffirms my assertion.
You don’t have a leg to stand on here; the girl is not “very clever” or “very intelligent” and you know it.
You really don’t seem to understand certain concepts. You have no idea what miss elizabeth thinks, unless you are claiming some sort of psychic ability, and any reasonable person would assume you have no way to evaluate how clever Rachel Jeantel is because you don’t know very much about her.
I agree that her offer of an education is a wonderful thing. But it may be a bit of a problem for a HS senior who can’t read cursive.
No, I just don’t like talking to people like you. I don’t think you are basing your opinion on facts. I think you are basing it on prejudice. Therefore, discussion is pointless.
I wasn’t aware that a lot of college texts were written in cursive. At least not in the last couple of centuries. When did this start again?
Most HBCUs are comprised of mostly African Americans–not Africans. Although, Africans (and international folks, in general) tend to be heavily represented in the faculty.
I don’t have a lot of personal experience with African immigrants. But it has been my experience that African immigrants are no different than other immigrants. They are quite eager to assimilate and jump into the mainstream as soon as possible. So HBCUs may not be their go-to destination.
She’s been offered tutoring, so you can rest easy. Plus reading cursive is an obsolete skill, in my opinion. I know a number of extremely intelligent people who have trouble with it. So what?
She clearly hasn’t had a great education. No one disputed that. Since no one here has her IQ score, we’re all just speculating. I think she seemed clever; street smart, if you will. I think with help she could do very well in college, and I’m glad she’s being given that opportunity. Its nice to see something nice come out of this tragedy.
Probably not, but the problem is this. If a student hasn’t learned to read and write cursive by the time they are a senior in HS, it’s not beyond belief that that student has missed a few other things too.
Is that assumption correct? Is cursive still considered an important part of a basic education? I have no idea, I stopped writing in it after the 6th grade, and I find that some people’s cursive is difficult to read. I do not know what she was presented to read at the trial.