Nunga (Especially definitions 2 and 5 in this context, although I do not necessarily believe the etymology at 5, (or any of the others).)
Nunga is a localized South Australian term for an Aboriginal person in general. I am led to believe its not offensive crossed fingers and would rather the term to be used over and above Aboriginal. Believe it or not there are/were over 500 distinct Aboriginal groups each with their own customs and dialect. I must stop out of respect at this point as it is not my place to explain any more than a basic outline.
However, I can say, we (the European descendants) use Nunga in South Australia, Kuarna (pronounced Garrner) in and around Adelaide, Murries in Queensland, New South Wales and Victoria, and Nyoongars over in West Australia.
If any other Aussie can correct me please feel free to do so, ie I’m no Professor.
I always start to roll my eyes whenever someone says, “I know it’s not politically correct to say but…”
Agreed, it’s comparable to the number of straight men I hear claiming they’ve been sexually harassed by gays or been falsely accused of rape by women.
I also think it’s funny how many people whine that it’s impossible for them to have “honest” discussions about race and how they get “shut down” as they try and peddle the same Eugenics theories that have been discredited for almost a century.
If there really is some sort of PC thought police out there they seem to be doing a really lousy job.
Is it too much to ask that you judge people on what they actually say and not on what you imagine they would like to say?
That made me laugh. A few months ago we had to throw a person out of the restaurant I work at and have him arrested (he happened to be black). Back story, it is a truck stop, and there is a gate to the truck parking lot and a $10 charge, that you are given a $10 voucher for to use in the restaurant.
When the cop came to arrest him, the guy started yelling, “Why don;t you like black people here?” The cop yelled back at him, “It’s not that your black, its that you drove through the gate (actually through the gate, breaking it) and told the guy in the shack that you will fucking kill him if he tries to take his money.”
I love idiots. They make my days fun.
These are two different things, though. It’s one thing to accept a single incidence of racism. It’s another to accept that racism is so common that it affects your entire life. I’m not saying the latter is untrue, just that it’s different. Most white people, in my experience, rarely encounter someone being a racist.
For example, I live in the whitest town you’ve ever seen. I grew up thinking no one was really racist anymore. Then I had a friend move in who had a black father, and said father got run out of town. And when I mentioned it to people from elsewhere in the state, they weren’t surprised at all.
I held on to the idea that no one was antisemitic anymore for even longer.
Well maybe I will just shut my mouth. Cheers, no harm done nor intended.
Not only have I not noticed any such trend, I would appreciate, very much, if you could provide evidence that this is actually happening. It sounds as though you have had a couple of experiences of people denying that racism is ongoing and have extrapolated a “trend” from your limited experiences.
That there are people who deny that racism continues in the U.S., today, is true. A small number of them even post on this board.
That there are even a few people who might claim that racism was never a problem in the U.S. seems unlikely.
Since this thread has been moved to Great Debates, it would seem prudent to provide evidence that there is actually a trend and not simply a couple of instances that have led you to to fall into a trap of confirmation bias.
If no such evidence is presented, I will probably nudge this over to the In My Humble Opinion forum.
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Racism has gotten a lot more subtle than before. And people are looking for ways to expose that.
Here’s an example,
Our company had two distribution warehouses, one in Chicago and one in West Virginia.
We needed to close one. This is a no brainer as Chicago is highly unionized and very costly, as opposed to a West Virginia town. Actually it’s not that far from Pittsburgh.
I am in H/R and got a lot of complaints from African Americans, that the company was racist for doing so. No it was strictly about money. We even offered everyone in Chicago a chance to go to West Virginia. Only about 20 people did. All white. The African Americans explained that the company knows well that African Americans can’t live in West Virginia as it’s a southern state and a small town wouldn’t accept them. Thus we were racist.
Maybe they have a point, I don’t know. The result could’ve been racism applied but the trigger was solely money. And as I pointed out, they would keep their same pay rate. So $20 an hour in West Virginia is going to go a lot father than $20 in Chicago. Or in any case unemployment.
The fact that other minorities and white people were also out of a job made no different. Many people honestly felt it was racism that motivated the move.
Talking to people online and off, mostly Americans as well. They are VERY, VERY sensitive about racism to the point true nonsense can become a controversy like “blackholes” (yes its foxnews but it was widely reported with video evidence)
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/11/naacp-urges-hallmark-pull-racist-card-shelves/
But try to explain the historical context of casual racism in old lit and people jump on you saying NO racism was not widespread at the time! :smack:
I’m a USA citizen and I don’t understand it, granted countries where it isn’t such a big deal things can quickly go over the cliff because no one wants to be the party pooper.
Has anyone else noticed the racist mindset that only White people are, or can be, racist ?
So, the answer is: No, you don’t have any statistics, just anecdotes.
Yes. It’s a big part of the problem. Racism is based on a belief in races. If you think there are human races, you are a racist. The common concepts that racism is only about hatred or something to do with majority/minority populations simply exacerbates the problem, no matter who you are. The first step to developing hatred of others is to seperate people into us and them.
Many East Asians are very openly racist. But there aren’t so many of them in the US, and they’re not the most visibly and historically racist in the country.
Low hanging fruit, first.
To support a point that something exists, that’s sufficient.
There has always been a problem in that racists often deny their racism even to themselves. “Of *course *the Negroes should have equal rights, but we’re just not *ready *for it yet”, “I have no problem with Mexicans moving into the neighborhood, but I’m really worried about property values” and so forth. Hell yes, racism is still with us.
That mindset doesn’t exist. There is a mindset in which only white people are capable of certain types of racism, which is not unreasonable (at least in the context of majority-white countries).
Good luck finding anyone who will tell you that the Japanese aren’t incredibly racist, though.
It’s not just that it’s “subtle” or “hidden” - there is less of it. There is less racism in the United States now than there ever has been. The “hidden racism” theory is a conspiracy theory, like a creationist claiming that fossils aren’t really millions of years old, God just made them look that way.
“Hidden racism” claims come from the guilty-until-proven-innocent mindset displayed by janeslogin or people like Joe McCarthy. It is a fallacious mindset. We don’t need to prove alien spacecraft have never visited Earth in order to justify assuming that they haven’t.
A more reasonable conclusion is that because there is less overt racism, there is probably less covert racism as well. Besides, if it’s hidden, then who cares? Racism is about how people treat each other, not about their inner thoughts.
Sure, there’s definitely less overall racism in the US than ever before. But that’s not the standard we set and certainly doesn’t match our expectations. Basically, that’s not good enough.
And if it’s hidden, it finds a way to get out. Maybe in subtle, sneaky ways, but it gets out. If you think you can stand eternal watch over your very thoughts to the point they are never expressed externally, you’re doing better the rest of humanity and are like unto a god.
I have noticed a certain mutual “antipathy” between Afro Caribbeans and those from the Asian sub continent, also a similar condition between , (Asian )Indians and Pakistanis, Thais and Phillipinos and Greeks and Turks, to name a few.
I have experienced racism myself as a white British person, though to be honest being called White boy and Whitey didn’t bother me, neither did being called a barbarian by Chinese upset me either.
And as for being called a Limey, and a Whinging Pom by certain ruffians Downunder, I’ll get you for that you total and utter bounders !
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Found one!
I’ve been to Japan; first as a child when my dad was stationed in Okinawa, and a number of times during my adulthood. I also plan to retire there. YMMV, I guess, but I consider the Japanese to be more insular than racist. Some may say they’re the same thing.
I’ve never had a bad experience while in Japan. If anything, although I am biracial, I’m not ethnic-looking enough to be as interesting to the Japanese as black friends I’ve made while there, who are treated, more or less, like the most interesting people in the world, and are emulated, especially by Japanese teens and 20-somethings, which is kind of weird, and somewhat funny to see.
Sure, there’s racism in Japan, but it is no where near as pervasive as you seem to believe, and it doesn’t hold a candle to racism against blacks in the US, which I and my parents personally experienced, especially my mom, but my dad too for having the temerity to fall in love with a black woman in the '60s.
When I’m in Japan, I’m treated the same as my other non-Japanese colleagues and friends, whether they’re white, black, Hispanic, or anything else.
I know anecdotes don’t mean much around here, but there it is.