Yes, and I’m sure those points have been repeated by many a good racist.
I think Nightime and Janl sound awfully similar, with Nightime playing the role of good cop. Too much of that “but the Colonial whites did so much good how can you dislike them” flavor.
No doubt there were better ways to bring technology and infrastructure, and a higher standard of living. You don’t make a lot of friends by making subjects of free people, no matter how you color it.
(Note-My oscilating-mosfet-trollmeter is going off. The following is a technique of troll repulsion I am currently experimenting with.)
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Collounsbury writes
So, BS, do you have any more non-questions to futher illustrate your agenda? Perhaps you might be more comfortable with our guest’s message board in all its stunning intellectual integrity and depth of knowledge
Notice how Collounsbury flames me with the initials of Barbra Streisand, liberal whore and Klinton felatrix.
I really don’t have an agenda beyond alerting the people as the racism committed by African Blacks against African Whites.
But I do have one solid debate question, which JanLs rant could not provide:
Are Blacks in Africa better off because Whites came to the continent?
Now chew on that awhile.
No.
Barking Spider-um, your initials ARE BS…as is your argument.
So Red Menace, even though medicine and inoculations invented and administered by Whites saved the lives of tens of millions of Blacks in Africa, and there are probably HUNDREDS of millions of Black Africans who are alive today because they they or their ancestors recieved medicine or innoculations from Whites, it was still bad for Black Africans that Whites showed themselves on the continent?
BTW, Red Menace, I appreciate that you answered the question, instead of flaming me.
Now, go look up a reference as to the amount of diseases in Africa up until about a hundred years ago.
Well, what I note is a non-sequitur. Where denigrating for no discernable reason Barbara Streisand --maybe I should add stinking hook-nosed Jewess in there also to complete the thought?-- comes in I am at a loss.
In other words, you’d be more comfortable with Janl’s board than one devoted to eradicating ignorance.
Why would one chew on it? It is almost trivially simple to answer. **No. **
Not in any coherent sense. The world may be better off that science has advanced in the past 400 years and so all of us, white, black, etc. may benefit from the intellectual discipline of the few --of various colors etc.
However, the hidden argument, the stinking rot of the “civilizing mission” was and is based on a string of false and racist premises that only through “White” imperial rule would non-Whites have “developed.” A fine mask for violence and oppression, but a mask nonetheless.
(With the sadly obligatory parenthetical for those prone to search for means to misread that this by no means indicates that any given group is more prone to violence or whatnot. Means, all about means.)
I find it staggering our smirking BS makes these little drive-by posts as if he was actually making a point.
Well, for those who so desire, I think there are better fora for replying to your BS:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=109774
Scientists, of various races, are responsible for medical advances, not races.
It would be somewhat tedious and well, frankly a wasted effort on you to go back and document the black and generally speaking non-white doctors who prevailed over prejudice which outright barred so many to make contributes. I’ll leave that to others.
This then leaves aside the non-white medical staff etc.
However, as I noted in my previously written message, none of this required colonial rule. Indeed quite the contrary. Nor does it ipso facto balance the bloody side of things – forced labor, punitive taxation systems etc.
Further, a knowledge of the history around these things would teach you that it was but late in the colonial endeavor, with anti-colonialial forces rising that any of the colonial powers per se made serious strides in health care. The general story really in regards to investments in the African colonies although of course continent level generalizations are dangerous.
You barely deserve recognition and your non-questions barely deserve answers.
It is ironic someone so totally ignorant is pretending to tell someone else to go look up any facts at all.
Oddly I have read some actual work on this. Real works. I suppose I shall have to try to find the materials, but your little white man’s burden story doesn’t hold water, BS, even on its bloody face. The history is hardly generous. Balancing the late moves on bringing tropical medicine care and facilities to the ‘native’ population are too many horrors and not real necessary connection between colonial rule and introduction of medicinal advances.
So,Collounsbury calls Barbra Streisand a "hook nosed Jewess, but claims “thats what Barking Spider meant.” Please point where I have said anything negative about Jews, before you spout your ignorance and antisemitism.
BTW, Collounsbury, since this is Great Debates, not the Pit, why don’t you answer my question. Are African Blacks better off since Whites came to the continent?
Also, why do so many people run to the Pit when they are losing arguments?
So,Collounsbury calls Barbra Streisand a "hook nosed Jewess, but claims “thats what Barking Spider meant.” Please point where I have said anything negative about Jews, before you spout your ignorance and antisemitism.
BTW, Collounsbury, since this is Great Debates, not the Pit, why don’t you answer my question. Are African Blacks better off since Whites came to the continent?
Also, why do so many people run to the Pit when they are losing arguments?
“Is this the nose that launched a thousand ships
And burnt the topless towers of Iliad?”
Heh, you are quite the spinner in your own mind, eh? See Minty Green’s quick review of your recent postings in the Janl pit thread.
I did answer your statement, which should be clear to someone of something approaching an ordinary level of ability in reading. I am relatively sure it is clear to you, so let us not play the posturing game, eh?
The more relevant question is why you engage in empty posturing in the form on questions which are not questions – let alone factually supportable.
Excellent point.
Disease has also dropped in America in the last few hundred years. Good thing we had those blacks here.
Disease has dropped in China since the 1940’s. Good thing they had the communists.
Disease has dropped in France in the almost 100 years since the death of Paul Gauguin. Good thing those post-impressionist bastards are gone.
Disease has also dropped:
–In England since the bombing of Greenwich Observatory
–In Oman and Qatar since the fall of the Ottoman empire.
–In Thailand since the ascension of King Mongkut I
–In Switzerland since the treaty of Weestphalia
– in Canada since the retirement of hockey great Gump Worsley.
I think we can all see the connections between these events.
Oddly a useful point beyond your original intention. No colonial rule was necessary for Thialand’s development and arguably Thialand has developed rather more healthily on the socio-economic front than most of its post-colonial neighbors.
But Furt, did the innocutions of Blacks by Whites in Africa happen because Gump Worsley retired from the Canadian Hockey League?
BS asks “Are African Blacks better off since Whites came to the continent?”
Not the dead ones, certainly. This is a silly question. Are American Indians better off after being nearly exterminated? Better off now than they were 400 years ago? Probably. At least those that are left. Better off than they would be now had North America not been colonized? Almost certainly not.
In any event, “African Blacks” is meaningless. Colonization happened very differently in different places. British Kenya isn’t the Belgian Congo. Though it wasn’t particularly pretty, anywhere.
:rolleyes:
No? Does the fact that disease has dropped in Africa, as it has all over the world, prove that the whites can take credit?
And the innoculations of Blacks by Blacks or Whites by Blacks? Or is it really of patients by doctors?
No, our BS has to spin this in bigotted terms, through his distorted little looking glass – as if the importation of medicinal knowledge is or was dependent on “White” knowledge – whatever that may be.
Lessee…
Burma. Cambodia. Laos. Vietnam. Bangladesh. Indonesia.
All worse off.
Philippines. Malaysia.
About the same.
No, you’re wrong. It’s not arguable.
We must never accept interacial inncoculation. The possibility of the inadvertant mixing of genetic material should alarm all right-thinking persons. Interacial innoculation is the first step on the slippery slope of the Stairway to Hell to miscegnation!