Rambus Inc. is Gonna Screw Us! (Computer Geeks Read This!)

While this may be more meaningful to the computer techy types around here it DOES affect everyone reading this (if for no other reason that you are almost certainly using a computer to read this).

Here’s a link to the article that’s got me riled:
http://www.kickassgear.com/TodaysNews.htm

On the linked page is a link to the press release from Rambus itself on this issue.

The quick and dirty of it all is that the average shmo (you and me) will get to pay MORE money for computer memory for NO other reason than to line the pockets of a few stockholders!

For the non-techy people a quick lesson in the state of the computer memory industry:

While CPU’s have increased in speed over the last decade computer memory speed has had nowhere near the same speed increases. While there was a time that memory speed far outstripped CPU speed that has begun to reverse itself with memory frequently being a limiting factor in computer performance. To address this Intel and Rambus Inc. developed a proprietary memory system dubbed RDRAM (Rambus Dynamic Random Access Memory – the ‘S’ in SDRAM stands for Synchronos) to replace the current SDRAM standard.

RDRAM was hailed as the saving grace of computer memory for the next generation of computers…speed, bandwidth, supposed to have it all. There are a few problems with it however:

  1. It is insanely expensive (3-5x the cost of ‘regular’ SDRAM).

  2. It actually performs WORSE than plain old SDRAM.
    (one source – http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/00q2/000403/index.html )

Consumer Quiz: You have product A and product B. Product A costs $200 and product B costs $1,000. Both products server the same purpose but product A performs NOTICEABLY better. Which one do you buy?

If you picked product B give me a call…I have a few things I’d like to sell you.

Needless to say product B doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of making it in the maketplace.

If you read the link above you’ll see that Rambus has taken a different path to boost their product since it is failing in the marketplace. Basically their thinking is, “If RDRAM is so damn expensive compared to SDRAM let’s make SDRAM cost MORE!” Screw lowering your own prices OR making a better product!

I’m totally bummed Toshiba caved on this. While it may make a lot of business sense for them they are letting Rambus press some bullshit patents (I’ll look for cites on that but yes…Rambus is stretching to press these patent claims).

I’ve long been a believer in the free-market system but this is one of the worst cases of circumventing the system I’ve seen in a long time and it SUCKS!

Wouldn’t this be seen as price fixing? The government seems to be in a mood after nailing Microsuck, maybe these people are just right for their next effort in the field of computers. :smiley:

Unfortunately no. Rambus is an Intellectual Property (IP) company. They don’t actually make anything but license their inventions. Toshiba basically said they agreed that Rambus has a valid patent and will pay a royalty to Rambus for each chip they make incorporating that technology. It’s up to Toshiba to set their selling price.

Or to simply modify the technology slightly…That’s the joy of the commodoties market. There are always new memory techniques and standards being developed. What is not mentioned in the article is that Hitachi is not buckling under and is currently countering the Rambus action.

Personally, this is one more reason why I will never buy another Intel manufactured board (They are a major backer of Rambus) and my next CPU will be AMD.

I copied this from Tom’s Hardware Guide which in turn pulled it from the actual SEC filing…

*Source – http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/917273/0000929624-98-001977.txt *

Tom’s page also had this to say…

*Source – http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/00q2/000529/index-05.html *

Narile,

Amen. I derive great satisfaction from the fact I’m posting this using a K6II.

One of these days, I’ll actually get off my lazy ass and install Linux on this box.

This is only an opinion, but I think Intel is going to get the crap kicked out of them. For the last few years, I’ve been buying processors from Cyrix, IBM, and AMD, and have been extremely happy with them. I’m sure manny manufacturers will be happy to have a greater percentage of the supporting chip market as well.

I’m not too crazy about Intel lately. They behave too much like a “big” company that doesn’t work too hard anymore.

I only have one word for “big” companies that try to drive up the price by bad proprietary technology:

Microchannel.

Jeff, I’ve known about this for months now. But me, I haven’t run an Intel processor since my 286. It’s all been Cyrix and AMD for me. Intel is clearly on the take from Rambus (here’s an article about it), and real techies are looking to Double Data-Rate SDRAM in the near future. Rambus is SLOWER than DDR for most real-world applications and costs significantly more. Explain why I want to spend more for less bang, again?

Tbea:
I also feel that Intel’s on the way out. They’ve made too many errors in execution lately, and AMD, in particular, seems to be topping them every chance they get.

Just thought I’d point out theat AMD has deals with Rambus as well. They just don’t talk about it.

Cites?

I’m not sure why this is just coming out, because I’ve known about their crappy architecture since January when Cisco began purchasing these big loads of shit in January.

The cost of an HP with RAMBUS is like 2k more–simply ridiculous…yet amazing at the same time! Wanna know how many morons own them? :slight_smile:

Uhh…nope. In fact, all of their registered motherboards only use SDRAM. They don’t recommend using RAM over 100Mhz(they say 133Mhz RAM will show no improvement, and/or cause some trouble).

So…Fuck RAMBUS

HeHeHe :slight_smile: I know some people that work for one of the companies that manufacture the crap:)

-Sam

Yes, yes…I’ve known since WAY back (before January so nyah ;)) that their stuff sucked. Can we say i820 Motherboard debacle?

The reason I ‘just’ brought it up is Toshiba rolling over and giving up the ship. While the lawsuit Rambus is pursuing is still going Toshiba made the fight harder for the rest of the semi-conductor industry. If anyone needs proof that Rambus sucks balls I can provide cites that show most other semi-conductor companies providing each other with info they wouldn’t dare share in normal circumstances. They are legitimately scared of what Rambus is trying to pull and it will suck for ALL of us if Rambus succeeds. Rambus may even block DDR RAM if they have their way (or make it hideously expensive to RDRAM looks good).

Can we say RECALL? Can we say DELAYED IN SHIPPING FORM MONTHS? LoL

What a fucking mess they’ve made. Their lawsuit is even more ludicrous than their product!

Hmm…lemme rephrase that…The first time I laid eyes on an eval was in January, after we’d had to wait for 4 months on the preceding line of Kayak computers that was subsequently discontinued.

Their Eval unit was sent with RDRAM upgrades for an SDRAM unit! I had to have RDRAM and an RDRAM bullshit daughter card(so they’d fit), sent to us(only a 4 week waiting period for the product), for the standards committee to make a decision on the product.

Suffice it to say that Rambus, Inc. is not our friend.

-Sam

I’m only resurrecting this thread to report that I’ve just heard that Intel has scrapped plans to go solely with Rambus chips.

More info.