I was there. They weren’t all that. Just my humble opinion. I just turned 50. I did back flips off the Dead Kennedy’s stage. 
Means nothing, but there you go. Ramones=bleh.
Ah, bringing your own baggage - cool; again, YMMV. I’m from SF and yeah, the DK’s, Flipper, etc, were great - but none of their songs have endured in a mainstream way. You may not like them, but damn The Ramones songs have endured.
LOTS of songs have endured. Who are you, ASCAP?
You know what I mean - it’s not like *Too Drunk to Fuck *gets played at football games or used in commercials. :rolleyes:
Usage in football game commercials has always been standard of musical validity.
Yep; that’s exactly the point I was making :rolleyes:
I’m done.
Jello did accuse the rest of the band of wanting to license Holiday in Cambodia for a Levi’s commercial. If DK has not endured in popular consciousness, it is partly by design.
Fair point.
I definitely don’t disagree with your general point though, I was just quibbling.
One annoying habit I’ve found over the years at the SD is how contrarian people get over film/music/art/cultural stuff. It’s almost a given that if you state something culturally obvious, like how the Ramones were punk-rock innovators, you’ll immediately have someone ready to argue about how that’s totally not the case. Cultural “facts” can be a lot grayer than science/political/historical ones, since how something affects a mass audience – especially something documented ad hoc, as was the case with the NY punk scene – is such a nebulous thing to pin down in a simple message board post, without devolving into a contest of “well I was there” and “I was there more.”
(And the more well read you are on a subject, the more aggravating it gets, like pretty much any thread on modern art here, where posters argue that Mondrian was a boring painter that accomplished nothing – sense a theme?)
Anyway, in this case, levdrakon is saying that he’s an authority on the fact that the Ramones were boring and overrated, because he jumped off the Dead Kennedy’s stage… some time in the past. Earlier in the thread, someone posted the quote of Jello’s, where he said DK wouldn’t exist without the Ramones. So doesn’t that follow that levdrakon wouldn’t have back flipped off the stage if it weren’t for the Ramone’s…?
Am I missing something?
You’re missing the fact that the Ramones are irrelevant, except in their fans’ minds.
You’re missing the fact that your opinion, based on what seems to be absolutely no knowledge of the genre, isn’t gospel.
Your knowledge of the genre is entirely of your own imagination. You are welcome to it.
Are the Dead Kennedys relevant to you?
What would that have to do with the Ramones?
You hinted that you thought the DKs were relevant, while Ramones aren’t, but the DKs wouldn’t exist without the Ramones. From Jello himself…
Therefore, it’s a simple deductive conclusion: the Ramones and Dead Kennedys are either relevant or irrelevant, but the Dead Kennedys can’t be relevant if the Ramones are irrelevant. To argue otherwise is intellectualy dishonest or being contrarian for the sake of argument – those are your choices.
Nice.
Can he choose both?
I went back and reread the thread and came across this; don’t know how I missed this. I didn’t mean to be difficult; I just felt that my Ramones reference in the Hem thread was a bit too hijacky. And as for Ramones hatred - yeah, I wasn’t expecting much, but have found this thread pretty interesting…
I love the Ramones. Seeing them live was the clincher. In a way, there were 2 Ramones: Studio and Live. Studio Ramones was Joey’s, with love songs and surf music influenced songs. Live Ramones was Johnny’s, with furious pacing and volume. True rock and roll heros in my book. (And Lemmy’s: Motörhead - R.A.M.O.N.E.S. (live music video) - YouTube )