Ramones haters - Really?

There are almost identical quotes in, IIRC, End of the Century from both Clash and Pistol’s band members (who exactly, I can’t remember :mad:).

No Ramones, probably no punk.

CMC fnord!

I respect them for their place in musical history, but RRHS, BB, and a few others are pretty much all I can take. I think it would be difficult for me to last through a Ramones concert. (But it would probably be over in about 20 minutes, right?) :slight_smile:

I don’t get the hate for them, either. I’d rather hear the Ramones’ entire catalog than listen to one side of a KISS album.

They are citing a specific Ramones concert in London that they went to and was ground zero for UK Punk. Just like the Sex Pistols (?) gig in Manchester that set off all the Hacienda/Factory bands…

I’m not a Ramones fan at all. Like some others here, I didn’t hate them, but there were just other bands out there around that time that I liked a lot more.

But I did love Rock and Roll High School.

I remember reading, possibly in Trouser Press, that Joe Strummer met Joey Ramone before the concert. Strummer wanted to form a band, but didn’t know how to play. Joey reassured him that knowing how to play wasn’t that important, saying “Come see us! We suck!”

I did not like the Ramones. Pop wannabes. Boring. They were like Punk™. Nothing original. Move along.

As I remember saying in a different thread…
I don’t hate them, and don’t deny their influence but I think it’s seriously overrated. I’ve heard a lot of people make a lot of “X wouldn’t exist without the Ramones” claims, which is really a bit of a stretch for me. They didn’t bring anything that unique to the table, their appeal as I understand it was that they were just “regular guys” having fun and they sounded more raw and unpolished than what was popular at the time. They didn’t have crazy costumes, makeup, or elaborate stage shows, and could barely play their instruments. It could be your buddy up there, or even you.
I think they were more a product of their time than anything. There was a huge backlash against the heavily corporate controlled mainstream music system around that time anyway. If the Ramones hadn’t been, some other guys would have come along and done it. Someone had to be first and they were it, but the revolution would have come anyway. They wrote some good songs, but to say they changed music forever and things along those lines is melodramatic nonsense. People tend to vastly overstate a single artist or bands influence.
Just my $0.02

Is this a joke?

Structurally, their songs are basically Beach Boys numbers, sped up and punked out. (And made even more fun.)

Come on, the Ramones are the best punk band of all time. Only the Clash give them any competition. The Sex Pistols meant a lot at the time but are unlistenable now… And don’t get me started on the “true” punk ghetto of bands like Crass, Subhumans, Exploited, etc. You have to have a stick so far up your ass and a cotton field in your ears to listen to that stuff.

It’d take about the same amount of time :smiley:

There’s a quote about The Ramones from a record exec who said something like “I would have walked out but they were done before I could get out of my chair.”

I dig 'em, personally.

Who exactly were they posing as? Was there some other band before them who they stole their sound and image from?

Not really. I thought they were boring. Oh, well. YMMV.

I think the :confused: part in your other post was that they were “nothing original” - simply not true. Their superfast, all downstrokes approach to filling in the sound WAS new - using that distortion to build a Wall of Sound - you’re welcome to not like it, but it was very much seen as a new thing when they came out.

Yeah, you lose a lot of credibility when you refer to the Ramones as punk wannabe and unoriginal.

Yes, because Punk always aligned itself so closely to established musical mores.

You reply to that post, but not mine? Okay then…

You know more about it than I do. :slight_smile:

Okay; cool - but you probably shouldn’t declare that they weren’t original without knowing a bit more ;). The Ramones - and the emergence of Punk in general - is really fascinating and really well written about. If anyone in this thread hasn’t read Please Kill Me: An Uncensored Oral History of Punk, I can’t recommend strongly enough.

It’s okay. I have no idea what he’s saying anyway.