Arguing with the OP and asking for cites and facts is completely useless, as far as I can tell. He’s apparently slavering over all of the news stories and scare sites he can find, and the second he runs across something that even sounds vaguely alarming or threatening, he scurries back here to post it in the thread, without any sort of cite or link, as more evidence that RADIATION IS BAD!!! and WE SHOULD BE TERRIFIED!!! omg!!!
Trying to have some sort of fact-based debate with this guy is like trying to debate politics with a gerbil in a cage. “AAAAH THE BIG SCARY HEAD IS YELLING AT ME OMG I HAVE TO HIDE IN MY HAY BALE!!!”
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Well, I’m not going to be your personal news feed. So if you can’t bother to spend 30 seconds reading the morning headlines, sorry about your luck.
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So, in other words, you gots nuffin and it was just another out of your ass assertion with zero meat behind it. Ok…that’s what I figured.
(I’m currently looking that the top stories on CNN, BBC and just for kicks Fox, and none of them mention anything about upping the disaster to a level 7)
You know what’s worse than 6 damaged nuclear reactors? a 9.0 level earthquake near a large city followed by a 30ft tsunami leading to the deaths of 10,000+ people. If the reactor had been a chemical plant, and cyanide, lead and mercury had been washed everywhere, I’m not sure that things would have been any better. Yes, it’s serious and will require some emergency work to limit the effect on the workers and the larger population, but when all the casualties and economic/environmental impact of the March 11th earthquake are taken into account, the reactors are going to be relatively small potatoes.
This is the same as almost every other media outlet. They keep saying water that is at 1 sievert is “over four times the legal limit for workers”, which is utter bullshit.
First, they raised the limit to 250 mSv a year for workers under emergency situations. So 1000 mSv an hour (that is the same as 1 sievert) is four times the legal limit for the entire year. In an hour.
What they aren’t saying, is that contaminated water at that level is killing you every minute you spend in it. Or next to it, depending on how bad it actually is.
And you can’t walk through it, even if you are wearing lead boots and a lead suit, it is killing the workers. Suicide heros is one thing, but you can’t keep working if your feet burn off. Or you go blind.
That this level of radioactivity is outside the containment structures, which was also true when they found it in the turbine basement, makes this a Level 7
because it’s also going into the ocean, which takes it in the pacific current there over to Alaska, then down the US coast. Of course it dilutes, and isn’t an immediate threat to the fishing industry.
But that only comforts if you somehow think they can stop it. At this point, it’s so bad they finally asked the French for help.
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Took me 5 seconds. You still out there desperately cherry picking articles or something? Reuters:
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You should have taken more than 5 seconds and found one that said that it’s a level 7 emergency now. I don’t see it anywhere in your cite (and I already mentioned the meat of what this article was saying since, you know, I was reading the exact same thing).
Thanks for trying though…we have some marvelous parting gifts…
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That this level of radioactivity is outside the containment structures, which was also true when they found it in the turbine basement, makes this a Level 7
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[QUOTE=levdrakon]
I’m not claiming it’s level 7. I’m refuting your unsubstantiated rosey-colored glasses assertion that
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So, in other words you’ve got nuffin either, since I was responding to the assertion that it’s now a level 7 disaster. And you are also an idiot since I already had mentioned the thing about 1000 mSv contaminated water earlier…so, which part of my assertion was ‘unsubstantiated rosey-colored glasses’ like?
From your cite:
This is still in the BUILDING…it’s outside the REACTOR. Which is what I said. They do go on to say:
So…it MIGHT be seeping outside the building and into ground water. Or, it might not be. No way to tell right now. So, again, I haven’t heard or read anything that says there are deadly radioactive materials outside the BUILDING…simply that there is radioactively contaminated water outside the REACTOR (which we already knew about, though the high level they are saying now is beyond what they were saying earlier, and is most definitely a serious concern).
It’s funny that a thread that actually says “rantings” in the title, the pro nukers still want to try and make a debate.
The title I wanted to use was actually
ALARMISTS RANTING ABOUT NUCLEAR POWER AND THE STUPID MEDIA AND MAYBE OTHER SHIT LIKE THAT
but it wouldn’t fit in the title bar. I guess I’m just not over the top enough. People still feel the need to protect the poor innocent who might wander in and read some crazy rant and be harmed.
FK’dupLgndinhisownmind should rest easy in the knowledge that the most epic aspect if this nuclear disaster from posters on this message board is his clear, unrelenting demonstration of ignorance.
The language of this board is English. I can see the numbers for Plutonium, but i have no idea what the Japanese kanji associated with the numbers means, and you don’t have enough credibility for me to believe you either.
Also, remember that the claim you are being asked to substantiate is that the Fukushima crisis is now a Level 7 nuclear incident. You have, as yet, provided not a single shred of evidence for this claim.
