You offer no evidence because you have none. You claim nuke is safe. There have been 4 meltdowns of huge proportions. There are endless troubles and leaks at nuke plants.
How the hell can you idiots watch at least 6 reactors ruptured and bleeding radioactivity and claim that somehow proves how safe the technology is.?
Evidence? They are pouring radioactive water into the ocean while we are discussing it. That is so they can make a poor attempt to store water that is much more poisonous that the stuff they are dumping. There has been a huge release of radioactivity into the air. They have plutonium leaking into the environment.
The great, wise and powerful management of the nuclear plant have been powerless to stop the mess. Workers are being microwaved while the damage grows.
Proof that nuclear is dangerous and can not be controlled? Let me see ,there must be some example I can think of. Perhaps some people in Japan can give you a gentle nudge back to reality.
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You’ve been shown evidence and stubbornly remain ignorant. I’m not going to bother working up evidence about Yucca Mountain for you so that you can ignore that as well. I’ve played the ‘prove to me that Yucca Mountain was stopped via protests’ game in several threads and have zero intention of playing the same game with the likes of you.
You’ve been shown repeatedly that it is, comparatively speaking. I realize that you might not be able to comprehend what ‘comparative risk’ actually IS, or understand how nothing is 100% safe, and that there are tradeoffs in all things, but I can’t help any of that…it’s not my lookout that you are stupid AND ignorant. You’ve been shown the data, and even using the wild ass claims about dim mak deaths from TMI and wildly exaggerated claims about deaths at Chernobyl, and the supposed deaths from Fukushima, nuclear STILL comes out as comparatively safer than other forms of major energy such as coal.
Meltdown certainly SOUNDS scary…to be sure.
And yet, comparatively speaking nuclear power plants cause less ACTUAL harm than comparable coal power plants. They cause less deaths, they cause less impact to the environment. Those are facts that you seem incapable of absorbing. Instead, you continue to rant on about the dangers of nuclear energy.
Gee, I don’t know…perhaps because a reactor that was 40 years old and getting ready to be decommissioned is hit by a massive earthquake and major tsunami and while being a major toxic problem still hasn’t caused massive (or any) deaths? That while there is still a serious radiation leak happening into the ocean, the actual dangers to public health are fairly small, comparatively speaking? That as part of the whole of what hit Japan, from any perspective you care to look, the nuclear aspect is minor?
They are pouring low level radioactive water into the ocean that is the equivalent of a few swimming pools full…the ocean has the equivalent of trillions of swimming pools full of water. The high level radiation that’s leaking from the plant into the ocean is certainly a concern, but most of it has a very short half life, and, again, a small amount is being dispersed into a huge volume.
They don’t, afaik, have plutonium leaking into the environment btw…most of the contamination seems to be iodine and cesium. And monitoring of ground based radiation outside of the plant seems to be coming down based on yesterdays IAEA report. If they can plug the leak in the plant (they failed again yesterday), that will stop the contamination from leaking out and alleviate much of the problem.
Perhaps they should put butter on them and a bit of salt? Put them in a bowl and upper management could watch a movie!
Some of the people in Japan who haven’t died from the ‘nuclear disaster’, perhaps?
-XT
A radiation monitor at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says workers there are exposed to immeasurable levels of radiation.
The monitor told NHK that no one can enter the plant’s No. 1 through 3 reactor buildings because radiation levels are so high that monitoring devices have been rendered useless. He said even levels outside the buildings exceed 100 millisieverts in some places.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_38.html
Yesterday I was ranting (not here) about how they keep reporting “radiation levels are over 1,000 mSv/hr”, which is stupid on several levels.
Now it seems I was correct in my rage. They actually can’t measure levels over a Sievert.
If I fooled you that easily, you must be a first rate fool. That is because I made no such claim about the end of the world. None, zero, zip,na
The Yucca mountain site was one of 3 that were supposed to cost 80 million. When Yucca still not finished after over 20 years, at a cost over 10 billion dollars ,the public opinion was to stop the boondoggle. If the environmentalists actually had any power, there would not have been 10 billion and counting wasted on a site that was never completed.
Eventually the tax payers got tired of throwing billions of dollars down a rat hole. I understand that you will believe in the huge political power of the dreaded environmentalists who interfere with the rights of corporations to pollute and steal from the taxpayer actually exists. . I am sure you will believe that it was a great and fine site that was just aborted for no reason.
Ten Billion dollars and more than 2 decades and you can not understand why people thought it was a bad idea? That says a lot about stubborn ignorance . It says a lot about wearing blinders . The evidence was clear to most people ,but never you.
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No, it wasn’t…and no, it wasn’t. Just from memory the original projected costs (adjusted for inflation) was something like 10 billion. 80 million is ludicrous…the TRANSPORT of the material was projected to cost over a billion alone you idiot. Think about what all would be involved in JUST THE FUCKING LOGISTICS…let alone what would be involved in making the containers, vaults, road systems, communications, monitoring, security and everything else.
As for the 3 sites, Yucca Mountain was chosen from a LIST of 3 final sites, not as one of 3. You don’t know a thing about this subject, do you? I mean…not anything at all.
When every sort of delay, re-study, further study, new impact assessment, law suit, and delay had happened, and they still hadn’t gotten around to building the major components of the place and after spending billions, and after the anti-nuclear frenzy and propaganda about Screw Nevada got the folks in Nevada up in arms, then yeah…they finally pulled the plug. Gee…wonder why? :rolleyes:
It’s the same argument that anti-nukes always use. The do everything to delay, stop or increase the costs of anything to do with nuclear power, then they point at the delays, increased costs or the fact that the project was stopped as an argument showing why nuclear is a bad idea. It’s hilarious to see the logical contortions used. And now we STILL DON’T FUCKING HAVE ANY PLACE TO STORE THE WASTE YOU FUCKING IDIOT! So…you and folks like you cost the country some non-zero (but high) part of that $10 billion, and we have zero to show for it…but we still have the nuclear waste sitting around in pools at each nuclear power plant. We can’t reprocess it (because Carter made that illegal, and there is no way in hell that is realistically going to change), and now we can’t store it either, since the storage facility was stopped and there are no plants to either continue with it or find a new site.
WTG anti-nukes! Another win for the bad guys and another blow struck for ignorance and fear! You guys can pat each other on the backs now and pretend that you haven’t cost the country billions and basically put us right back where we were…pretend that reality doesn’t exist, and that all that nuclear waste will no just disappear since you halted building the storage facility for it.
-XT
Frankly, xtisme, you are starting to look dumber just because you elect to keep participating in this trainwreck of a thread. 
Come out with the sane ones and stop beating your head against the collective concrete wall represented by gonzo and FX.
South Korea reportedly lodged a protest yesterday over the dumping of millions of litres of radioactive water.
Meanwhile, tests showed radioactive iodine and cesium had been found in fish caught in the Pacific Ocean south of the plant since northeastern Japan was devastated by an earthquake and tsunami on March 11.
The death toll has exceeded 12,000, with more than 15,000 people unaccounted for.
Water sampled just off the plant - where a leak continued to emit radioactive substances into the sea - showed radioactive iodine levels of 7.5 million times the legal limit on Saturday.
A sample of sand eels caught off Ibaraki Prefecture, south of the Fukushima Daiichi plant, found 4080 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive iodine, and 447 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive cesium.
The cesium concentration in the eels is just below the Japanese limit for human consumption.
Next up, nuclear deniers will start talking about how the “legal limits” are nonsense, because internet idiots know more about everything than the people who set the limits.
And how no matter how high the levels get, it isn’t REALLY dangerous.
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Frankly, xtisme, you are starting to look dumber just because you elect to keep participating in this trainwreck of a thread.
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You mean I look dumb AND like a freaking psycho in these threads, right? 
Yeah, I know…I tried to stop participating in these threads pages ago, but I just couldn’t stop myself from coming back. It’s like when you have a loose tooth and you just have to keep worrying at it…
I need a 12 step program I think.
-XT
He’s being kind. You actually can’t seem any dumber at this point. Seriously.
But don’t stop. You are worth a lot. Keep posting.
Actually, FX, you and gonzo basically could be replaced by one of those bobbing-headed birds, provided they were bobbing onto a button that did irrelevant “I’m Feeling Lucky” google searches and posted them here.
March 18, 2011
Now that we know the levels are over 1000 mSv/hr, the workers refusal to go into the buildings is starting to make sense. No doubt the water is far far above 1000 mSv/hr, as it would take well over 200,000 mSv/hr to cause burning skin in the short amount of time they were in it.
sigh If they got a dose of 200,000 mSv they would be DEAD…to paraphrase: ‘E’s not pinin’! 'E’s passed on! These workers is no more! They has ceased to be! They’s expired and gone to meet der maker! They’s a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed 'em to the perch 'they’d be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'They’s off the twig! ‘They’s kicked the bucket, they’s shuffled off der mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisibile!! THESE IS EX-WORKERS!!
BTW, how does the worker in the other cite you gave measure every bit of water he finds if he can’t go into the plant? Isn’t he worried about the 200,000 mSv/hr he’s getting as well??
-XT
You really do need a 12 step program.
Indeed I do…you keep trolling and I keep snapping at the lure. :smack: You are just…such a tempting target. So…shinny…so…alluring…so…stupid…
Must…NOT…SWIM…CLOSER…!
-XT
Oops, that should have been 20 Sv, not 200!
Damn you mSv/hr and your complicated metrics!
The issue of what level, and what kind of radiation would cause skin burns in that short of time is probably not even in the human experience until now.
Clearly it wasn’t gamma, most likely beta, as alpha wouldn’t penetrate the skin. Or it could be a combination.
If it was just beta, it would have to be a very high level to cause skin damage in that short period of time. Since water shields beta, they probably had no idea of the actual radiation in the water, or they wouldn’t have been walking in it.
Obviously 20 Sv whole body dose would have been deadly, but it was just on the skin of their feet, not a whole body dose. What level would cause skin damage in that short of time?
The literature is lacking in any data, which is perfectly understandable. Not a lot of humans have immersed their feet in radioactive water before now.
The question of what the radioactive water can do to human beings, and how long it takes, is probably a question the workers are very interested in at the moment.
That beta isn’t going to measure correctly, with out sticking something into the water, makes that monitoring job a real bitch.