Just out of curiosity - why has no one made a GWTW mini-series? Is the shadow of the movie that large that no one can imagine making it without Clark Gable or Vivian Leigh? I’d far rather watch that, than another Lifetime Movie of the Week, to tell the truth.
Actors who embody Rhett and Scarlett more than Dalton and Whalley? Don’t be absurd.
For all the shortcuts they took, it is a very good movie, won many awards, including the first award to an African-American, Hattie McDaniel as Mammy. I do see them skirting around the edges of *The Wizard of Oz * (Tin Man, for instance) so maybe someone can get it done.
Unless we’re too politically correct these days to show slavery in a “favorable” light? GWTW did not show slavery as the horrible institution that it was…more of a matter of fact thing, and maybe that’s too touchy.
ArizonaTeach…sshh. We treat that abomination like Star Trek V and the *Highlander * movie with Mario Van Peebles…there are rumours, but it never happened.
Now I want to know why the blazes that didn’t show up at all when I searched the IMDB for Gone With the Wind, since that’s the freaking book the blasted movie and miniseries are both based upon.
wanders off muttering and chewing on the furniture
Didn’t Deckard kindasorta force himself on Rachael in *Blade Runner *, that first time? I remember it being a bit ambiguous… maybe I’m wrong.
Michael Douglas’s character, the San Francisco police detective, has some rough sex with Jeanne Tripplehorn’s psychiatrist character in Basic Instinct. It also begins under circumstances that a jury might consider rape, although she seems cool with it afterwards.
Both male characters are basically sympathetic protagonists, although very troubled.
Oh, I agree. I have read and love the book, but that’s not the rape scene I was talking about in this thread. I should have been more clear, sorry.
That’s the “sequel”, you know, not by the same author and a total piece of junk.
Are you talking about the staircase scene? Because as I recall it, he was attempting sex with her, then pulled away, disgusted with himself, at which point she grabbed his package and made her consent very clear. It was a powerful scene of love/hate/reconnection/disconnection.
In one of the Conan novels that came out after the movie, there was a warrior woman who had all sorts of issues with men. She’d come onto Conan and then threaten him when he responded to her advances, as I recall. They had an argument where he accused her of wanting him but being unwilling to admit it. finally he handed her his dagger and said ( paraphrased ), “Here, you know how to use this. If you really don’t want me, you know how to stop me.” Then he had sex with her despite her protests. Since she didn’t stab him, that’s more almost rape than real rape, I suppose.
In another one, a sorceress tried to control him with a lust spell, and got semi-raped for her trouble. It’s semi-rape because he was too out of his head to realize that she wasn’t willing, he didn’t intend rape.
[educational finger-waving]Stockholm Syndrome.[/educational finger-waving]
I agree about Seven Brides, though. We watched it in Theater Arts class when I was in 9th or 10th grade and for the life of me I couldn’t understand why anyone would think this story was a good idea. 
In *Friday *by Robert Heinlein, the title character is beaten down and raped at the beginning of the book. Being a Heinlein heroine, rape doesn’t demean her in any way, as she’s too professional and cultured to let it bother her. She does remember the body scent of one of her rapists and how he doesn’t seem to force himself on her as much as the others do.
Near the end of the book, Friday is carrying out a mission on a luxury liner, and smells a familiar scent. She confronts the guy and finds out one of her rapists is now her shadow guard. He’s really sorry he did it, but didn’t want to blow his cover. They eventually escape the ship and get married.
Luke raped Laura early on in General Hospital, didn’t he, and yet they bonded and were sweethearts for a long time? Hooray for Hollywood. :rolleyes:
That’s the scene I mean.
I remember it differently. I remember him getting up and walking away in disgust at himself, only after he’d the deed. But I saw it a while ago and I do distinctly remember her forgiveness-- so I could be remembering it wrong.
Yeah, I felt bad for the first rapist because it was clear that it didn’t end up how he intended when his friend showed up with the gun. It’s a tricky scene, she never really consents so there’s no question it’s rape, but once it starts she does show pleasure and go along. Does it change the nature of a rape if the victim changes their mind about it after it starts? Not sure.
I haven’t seen it in play form, I read the book when I was 14, and much of my remembrance of the story comes from the Simpsons, but I’ve always sympathized with Stanley in A Streetcar Named Desire. This obnoxious bitch shows up at his house, puts on airs, and demands to be treated like a princess. By the time Stanley finally raped Blanche, I was like “Thank God, maybe she will finally shut up and leave.”
Yeah, I’m surprised this wasn’t mentioned earlier. Have you seen ASND on film, the one with Brando? Awesome. Compare this film to other movies of the same era and you’ll see why Brando often gets props (although he squandered his talent) for being the greatest film actor ever. His performance dragged method acting to forefront of modern filmmaking.
Yes, and there’s another one I have somewhere at home featuring another such woman… he’s just saved her life and since he doubts that a word of thanks will ever cross her lips, though she has had to swear an oath not to offer him an uncivil word, he resolves to claim his reward on his own terms. “So you’re nothing but a ravisher of women after all,” she says bitterly. “That was close to an uncivil word,” he responds. “And no ravishment. All you have to say is ‘Stop!’ and you’ll leave here as chaste as a virgin for all of me.” During the next few minutes she utters a lot that comes close to an uncivil word, but “Stop!” is not one of them. So again, not so much rape as angry sex.
(That was never five minutes! :rolleyes: )
Yes. Part of the reason for this is that she does not, at that time, consider herself fully human, and she knows that many bio-humans share this view; and also, under the circumstances there were things her captors could have been doing that would have been much more to the point than raping her was. So Friday is quite detached about the whole thing, and harbours not too much resentment against her rapists insofar as they were following orders - although, in such measure as they abused her more than orders obliged them to, she is ready and willing to take summary revenge should the opportunity arise. Still, when she learns one of the worst offenders was burnt to death during her subsequent rescue, she wryly observes that she wouldn’t have gone so far herself.
Much like Spike, from Buffy, Angel (as “Angelus”) triggers the same kind of sympathy – at least after the fact when he regains his soul and suddenly feels remorse for it all. The reason is that he is not entirely responsible for his soulless state and we know him, now, to be a good man seeking atonement.
In the next-to-last season of Rescue Me, Tommy rapes his estranged wife, which she struggles against at first but then gets into it. I can see why Tommy was pissed, as his ex was living with (engaged maybe?) to his brother, who he wasn’t on great terms with. I just remember thinking that was a pretty hot scene, and I don’t usually get that vibe from rape scenes.