Prostitutes, male or female, do not deserve to be raped, and I personally loathe prison rape too, even if the “victim” committed a sex crime him- or herself.
When I was a teenager, I had a female classmate who bullied me to the point where she said she wanted her brothers to gang-rape me and get me pregnant so I would have to leave school. :mad: :eek: For a number of reasons I won’t go into here, she never got into any kind of trouble for any of this, and probably wouldn’t have gotten into trouble had she succeeded with this (she repeatedly told me, “We can’t get in trouble because we’re juveniles”) , and years later, I told a therapist, “I hope she gets raped at some time in her life, and the rapist gets her pregnant.” I then quickly added, “No, not really. I wouldn’t wish that on anybody, and even if I did, the baby would be completely innocent.”
I found out recently that this woman is divorced with 2 grown children. Hmmmmmmm. :dubious: She also works (or did at the time) in the claims denial department of a health insurance company. Now, I can understand why such a department exists (fraud, people trying to file claims for things they know aren’t covered, etc.) but that she would have a job like that really didn’t surprise me either. Even though she and her siblings were all highly intelligent, musically talented honor students, she was a bad kid from a bad family.
Is that the standard for N culture? Really? Some people are OK with it, such that some people are afraid to report something and the crime is sometimes ignored?
Hey, everyone, according to iiandyiiii, America is a false-rape-report culture!
Look, you wanna come up with an actual standard for declaring a culture to be a N culture, based on an actual look at that culture’s attitudes towards N compared to both other topics and other cultures, that would be great. You wanna keep doing this weaksauce denial of specificity? Well, if you don’t ground your arguments in reality, they will work against you as well as for you.
Here’s a great example of rape culture from a female rock star of whom I’m a big fan:
For one thing, this implies that rape can’t be helped – that some men are just inclined to rape, and there’s nothing that can be done about this except to not wear provocative clothes (as if clothing had anything to do with rape in any case) and be able to run fast when necessary. For another, a victims group rep in the link put it best:
We’re just talking about rape culture – and this is just a small part of what makes up rape culture. There are tons of other things that make up what is called rape culture.
Rape culture doesn’t imply that every aspect of American culture are “pro-rape” – rather (among other things) that there are enough things in our culture that are either tolerant of rape or dismissive of rape accusations that there is a systemic, long-term problem that greatly increases the risk that some people will be raped.
So that’s a “Yes, with great gusto!” to “America is a false-rape-accusation culture.” then.
You’re talking rape culture. I’m pointing out that the subject is apparently incoherent. Greatly increases compared to what? Determined how? And why rape and not false-rape-accusation? I bet I can find a lot of people really quickly saying that false rape accusations aren’t a problem that we need to worry about, and I know I can find a lot of people saying that if you’re concerned about being falsely accused rape you’re a bad person and taking important worry-attention away from the important, deserving people.
If that’s the standard for N culture, then N culture is meaningless, and choosing one set of N over another is just a matter of social signaling and wanting to emphasize a problem without apparently having the statistical stones to back it up. You want to make Rape Culture as a phrase mean something? Give it metrics. Give us comparisons, to other crimes and other cultures, and show us how the word gets used, and how often, e.g., people choose to say things like “Islam promotes rape culture.”
Hell, once we get metrics, we can compare-and-contrast exactly how rapey Islam’s collective culture is compared to America’s collective culture! It’l be great!
If you want, sure. I heartily endorse efforts to oppose false accusations, assuming they don’t dissuade real accusations.
It’s not incoherent to me.
For your questions: Greatly increased compared to what it should be (which is much closer to zero), determined by looking at the statistics and history and applying human common sense and intuition. And rape is the obvious and tautological focus of anti-rape efforts (of which identification of aspects of rape culture is a part) – just as false accusations would be the focus of anti-false-accusations efforts.
Well, I was specifically referring to Jimmy Chitwood’s useless and vague definition, but that link is about a video game and not an actual societal practice.
If that game is reflective of a rape culture, what about novels and other art mediums that describe scene of rape? Is Game of Thrones illustrative of rape culture?
If you’d actually read the link, you might have noted that she explicitly mentioned Game Of Thrones as something that has rape in it, but isn’t a part of rape culture. Then again, if you’d read it, you might also have picked up on the fact that they’re not talking about a video game. The idea that games aren’t a social practice is also something you’re wrong about, but that one at least can’t be blamed on not reading the link before you commented on it.
Saying “there is Nazi culture in the US” is very different from saying that “the US is a Nazi culture.” Many different kinds of cultures are found in the US. Identifying it as a culture is a way to talk about how behaviors can be contagious. Nobody suddenly becomes a Nazi out of the blue… people can be born with a hateful nature, but these ideas solidify from the things they read and the people they keep company with. Likewise, someone may be born with tendencies toward cruelty or indifference toward others, but attitudes of amusement or indifference toward rape is something you learn from others. That’s rape culture.
The Wiener story is not unique. Like I said, the Innocence Project doesn’t break down cases by type of conviction, but of the convictions on the first page, all were for sexual assault. The average amount of time spent in prison by people eventually exonerated by the Innocence Project is 14 years.
All I gathered from that dogshit excuse for an article (which is nothing more than a bunch of tweets and inane commentary) is that the game is “D&D” style and not an actual “hey let’s rape a bunch of women” exercise being practiced in real life.
It’s fantasy. Like Game of Thrones. Neither is indicative of a culture that condones rape. Last I checked, rape is illegal and everyone knows it.
Jimmy Chitwood’s definiton was vague and useless. Saying “rapes would exist less frequently without rape culture” as a proof that rape culture exists is not meaningful in any way. It’s vague and useless.
In other words, you entirely missed the point of the discussion (to say nothing of the actual article), at literally every single conceivable level. Which comes as a great shock, I am sure, to precisely no one.
When reading stories like the one in Rolling Stones, or that hoax from Columbia U, or the Lacrosse case, or the “Hands up, don’t shoot” hoax, or the “he could’ve been my son” idiocy, or Tawana Brawley fraud, you always have to assume that’s it’s all lies. Every word of it. That’s not to say such cases cannot occur (after all, theoretically, anything is possible), but the initial assumption should always be that’s it all lies.
It’s the nature of the beast. Many such prosecutions are ‘he said, she said’ and because of this it’s almost certain that some rapes will fall through the net. The only way to prevent this would be to always believe the alleged victim. That would certainly convict all the rapists but equally certainly condemn some innocent men to prison. I’m sure you wouldn’t advocate this. What we’re left with is what we’ve got, weighing each case on its merits.
Oh, and as someone said above, if you want to see what a genuine rape culture looks like just check out the areas controlled by ISIS. The US doesn’t even come close to justifying such a tag. Just the opposite, in fact, with the inexorable movement over my lifetime to treat rape in all areas as the serious and grievous crime that it is, the acknowledgement of marital rape being one notable example.