…and the only way for the state to say “we are not able to handle the issue of abortion and will no longer address it” is to completely legalize it. “Not addressing it” = “not litigating people for either doing it, or for not doing it”. There is literally no other way for the government to do what you propose besides legalization. (How does it feel to be pro-choice?)
And smoking is legal, drinking is legal, flunking out of school is legal, being a truther is legal, being a scientologist is legal…
I think you greatly overestimate the reluctance of women to make false accusations, especially in a situation like this where the State has effectively declared war on them. I expect most women in this situation would be willing to ruin just about any man on general principles, much less to protect themselves. If they are going to be punished and degraded just for being women, why not punish a man for being a man? That’s how I see their reasoning going.
I expect you’ll see an increase in the murder of men by women too, for the same reason. Women aren’t going to feel much obligation to abide by the rules of a society dedicated to their torment, or an obligation to be civilized to men when there is an effective war between men and women going on.
I think you address a deeper issue, the validity of the state to declare anything legal. Is me petting my cat legal? It doesn’t matter, it’s not a state issues, they have no say, nor should they, by saying that they do they only discredit themselves. It is beyond legal, it is beyond the state’s authority.
So what, exactly, do you expect them to do? Declaring petting your cat to be illegal is obviously bad, but if refraining from making it illegal and leaving you completely alone isn’t enough, what should they do instead? Pay you to pet your cat or something?
In case it wasn’t obvious, I’m of the opinion that “making it legal” is the ultimate in government hands-offedness. You can’t get any more distanced than complete apathy and inaction, which is all that making something legal is.
It is a gender war; the only question is how much women will fight back, or just let themselves be smacked around. This issue is all about the persecution of women, nothing else.
The issue is that by the state declaring it legal, it is authorizing the state to be the authority on something that they have really should no say on.
It’s a medical procedure; they have obvious jurisdiction when it comes to such matters as ensuring it is safe, and in more civilized societies paying for it. Beyond that, declaring it legal is them saying they have no authority over who gets one and why. What are they supposed to do, declare it super-duper extra legal?
Do you want men defining the rules you live by, isn’t that the same reason you are against religion? Religion uses guilt, the state uses imprisonment. It should be extra-legal, beyond legality, beyond the state’s ability to rule, it is not within the authority of the state to rule on a personal matter of reproduction in any way.
The closest may be saying that the state can say it’s not illegal, but they should have no say in saying’s it’s legal, they have no legit authority to decide on this.
I’d actually agree with kanicbird–if abortion had never been made illegal to begin with. But, once it has been, the state has to act to put it back to where it was, and the only way it can act is to make it legal. Even if it only does so by repealing laws that made it illegal.
It is a minor inconvenience for most NI people to go to a place where abortion is legal, e.g. Britain, I think a fake rape plea would be way more inconvenient for an NI woman than say paying for the ferry or a plane to Britain.
No, I’m against religion because it is irrational, malignant and factually wrong. But when it comes to “men defining the rules you live by”, that (although I’d change “men” for “people”) is civilization and morality.
Wrong, it is in the state’s domain when it involves the possible harm of one person by another; therefore it has a perfect right to demand that doctors be trained and licensed properly, that it be practiced in a safe and sanitary fashion, that women aren’t knocked over the head and subjected to forced abortions, and so on. As for the rest, declaring it legal is as far as the state can go towards a “hands off” position.
Considering that part of the job of the State is to prevent other people from forcing their will on you, they most certainly have the right to declare abortion legal, and to send large armed people to haul away people who are trying to force you to not do legal things.
Irrelevant; plenty of people of both genders hate and abuse their own. It’s not women who beat up or kill men for being “unmanly”. Women have been taught for millennia to despise their own gender, to feel hatred, fear or contempt for everything about womanhood. And many, many of them are devout followers of religions that have an obsessive hatred and fear of women. Women have always been some of their own worst enemies.