So your basically saying that they can close if they want to, all that will happen is that they’ll be assessed the legal penalties of doing so? I guess thats true, but its pretty close to tautological. Your initial posts made it sound like you were proposing some sort of loophole by which the Church could close the Hospital without permission and avoid the legal penalities of having done so.
WTF!?!?! So they’re being holier than thou with MY FUCKING MONEY?!?!?!
I’ve been a fan of catholic charities for a long time but if they are basically government funded then fuck em.
It happened in Massachusetts in 2006 as well.
The guy who said “suffer, little children” of course.
They shouldn’t worry, President Santorum will be taking orders directly from the Vatican. After all, it seems that he finds JFK’s speech saying that he wouldn’t be taking orders from the Vatican deeply disturbing.
I’m starting to think you’re being dense on purpose.
Because it works so fucking well with the Obama administration.
And you know how anti-Catholic Massachusetts is!
Asserting that doesn’t make it so. Do you have any evidence that they won’t?
And as I asked Cheesesteak, do you have any evidence that they won’t do just that?
I was proposing nothing. If that’s the impression you got, it was because you were reading more into my post than I put into it. All I was doing was pointing out that everyone who’s shouting “The government should make them do it the way we want” were neglecting the very real fact that the government can’t. The RCC always has the very real option of quitting, and the people who are demanding the RCC do it a certain way will then have to live with the fact that, for a while at least, no one will be doing it at all, let alone their way.
The only density here is on the part of people who refuse to understand that the RCC can quit, if they don’t want to do what people are demanding they do. I’m not the dense one for pointing that out.
In the OP, I specified that they would quit.
Yes, I have conducted a thorough study, using a computer simulation of Francis Cardinal George.
Results:
In 99% of the trials, he did not choose to padlock the entrances of hospitals, after rolling the ICU patients to a convenient parking lot.
In the remaining 1%, he flew around Chicago in blue underpants and razed the hospitals with his explosive x-ray vision. Luckily, he only knocked down 3 before Joe Biden arrived in his flying Trans-Am and saved the day.
Is this really Cardinal Nutjob’s call? Doesn’t he have a bunch of folks he has to answer to? The Pope, at the very least?
Do the catholic churches in question enter into contracts with insurance companies and other entities? Would they be sued for breech if they just up and closed their doors?
Okay. Just so you have valid cites.
I wasn’t addressing your OP. I was addressing others in this thread who keep hand-waving away the fact that they do, indeed, have every right and ability to quit. If anything, I’m re-emphasizing that specification of your OP. ![]()
Computer simulations are not predictive. They only spit out results based on the assumptions you put into them. They can be used to validate those assumptions, if the predicted result matches reality, but they are dependent on the validity of those assumptions for their results to be accurate. Your evidence isn’t actually evidence of anything. Sorry.
Nobody is arguing that they don’t have the ability to quit. Everyone is pointing out that they can’t just shut the doors tomorrow, as you imply.
Tomorrow? Likely not. In six months? They almost certainly can. I never tried to imply they could or would shut their doors tomorrow. I merely point out that they can, if they choose, shut down a lot faster than people seem to assume. Perhaps in as little as one month or even less from the decision to do so. And possibly, if they choose to keep the decision secret up until the last possible instant, within days of announcing the closing.
This isn’t going to happen, so I don’t think we’ll ever know factually, but I don’t think your correct. The Church can certainly quit running the hospital and devest itself. But I don’t think they can physically close it down without permission from the State, and in cases where there’s a single hospital serving a community, they won’t get that permission.
You say they can padlock the doors, and I guess they physically could do so, but then they could also physically just shoot all the doctors and burn the building down. Both would disrupt hospital operations, but both would be criminal acts and would entail criminal penalties.
If he did do that, I just might start going to church again.
There is no chance that Cardinal George will go through with this, because if he were going to, he would have already done so. He’s just blowing hot air in an egotistical effort to gain attention.