Reaction against Romanticism

I guess the Romantic movement was at its height in early 19th century Europe, and it is often considered to have been an intellectual, artistic, and general cultural reaction against the excessive confidence in reason of the Enlightenment and the 18th century “age of reason.” Of course, these sorts of pendulums tend to swing back and forth. Can anyone recommend me any good books or other sources dealing with intellectual and artistic reaction against Romanticism in the later 19th and especially the 20th centuries?

Was there a clear cultural “movement” of this sort, comparable to Romanticism itself? If so, what is it called? (Modernism? Or is that something different?)

I think there were a variety of movements, and it depends on the context: literature, music and the visual fine arts (painting, sculpture, etc.) went in different directions.

Don’t forget philosophy as well, and not neccessarily to good ends (Romanticism left something of a legacy of sloppy thinking, as well as bending certain natural sciences).

Oh I certainly do not want to forget philosophy, but I thought “intellectual” covered that. :slight_smile:

But anyway, what I am mainly looking for is reading suggestions.

Oh, well, I thought “intellectual” was a bit broad, since it covers a vast array of subjects.

In art history, at least, sometimes this gets clumped under the “Realist” movement with “Show me an angel and I’ll paint one” Gustav Courbet, et al.

Well, I intended it to be broad. I am asking about a very broad cultural movement here (if there was one, and I think there must have been). Something like The Enlightenment or The Romantic Movement. Both of those are standardly presented as affecting pretty much the whole gamut of cultural life, from the arts (high and low), through philosophy and politics, to even science (people I have seen characterized as “Romantic” scientists include Davy, Faraday, Goethe, and Oersted). There are hundreds of books about the Enlightenment and Romanticism. Surely there must be some dealing (in an equivalently broad-brush way) with whatever it was that came after.

And what should it be called? as I said, maybe it is Modernism, but I am not sure. I note that the Wikipedia entry on Modernism characterizes it as a reaction against the Enlightenment, not against Romanticism (which is what I am looking for). But surely Romanticism was already a reaction against the Enlightenment?

My impression is also that Modernism is mainly just applied to the arts, but I would be happy to be told otherwise. Has anyone argued that there were, or are, characteristically modernist philosophers, scientists, and political movements? Relativity theory and quantum mechanics are sometimes mentioned in the context of discussion of Modernism, but my impression is that the influence is presented as all going one way. Some Modernist artists and writers may have been influenced by their (probably half-baked) understanding of (small m) modern physics, but does anyone make a serious argument that the science of Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg, etc. grew out of the same cultural currents (whatever they are supposed to have been) that made the artists of the time into Modernists? What about the other sciences of the era? Is there anything distinctively Modernist about neo-Darwinism, or molecular biology , or plate tectonics, or Behaviorist psychology (or Gestalt theory, or Cognitive Science), for instance?

Frankly, I have never really been able to get a very good grip on what “Modernism,” even just in the arts, is supposed to mean anyway. Sometimes it seems to be applied to artists who seem to want to embrace progress and newness (like, say, the modernist architects who built glass covered, unornamented skyscrapers celebrating the power of technology, and the utilitarianism), but the label also gets stuck prominently on thoroughly reactionary thinkers, like T.S. Eliot, for example, who seem to hate the modern world and long (although they may be very conscious of the futility of it) to go back to some idealized agrarian past, where everybody knew their place in the scheme of things. Other so called Modernists seem (to me anyway) to be celebrating messiness and complexity, like James Joyce, for instance. What the hell does Ulysses have in common with the buildings of Le Corbusier or Mies van der Rohe, or the paintings of Mondrian, with their neat colored rectangles?

Another possible candidate for the movement of anti-Romantic reaction is, I guess, Positivism. It was certainly the antithesis of Romanticism, so maybe Positivism should be seen as the reaction to Romanticism and Modernism as the counter-reaction to Positivism. But Positivism does not seem to have been a movement with nearly as much depth and resonance as the others. It is usually characterized mainly as a movement in philosophy of science (although Comte intended it to be much more, I guess). Were there really any Positivist artists or architects, or poets or politicians, or was it just science and philosophy?

My apologies for all the thinking out loud above (and all the vague generalizations). I am, to reiterate, really just looking for something good to read on this (i.e., anti-Romantic reaction).

i’m pretty sure, also, that Realism is what the op is looking for. I have either lost, or thrown away all of my notes, but, that’s what replaced it, IIRC.

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I am pretty sure not. I am not asking about artistic styles, I am asking about broad cultural movements.

Evolutionism was a great counterforce to romanticism.

Was it? I am not saying you are wrong, but it is not clear to me why it should have been. Romanticism does not imply religion, you know. Some leading Romantics, such as Shelley, were outspoken atheists, and although William Blake was an ardent theist (of an eccentric sort) he detested the intelligent design argument. I think they both might have been quite enthusiastic for Darwin’s theory if they had still been around.

It is true that there are large elements of pantheism in Romanticism, but, so far as I know, few people in the 19th century thought that evolution entailed full on materialism. There are a lot of themes in Darwin that seem straight out of Romanticism: his love of nature, the ecological aspect of the theory, and the idea of development of life through perilous, hard struggle. It would not be too much of a stretch to portray Darwin as a Romantic scientist in the tradition of Oersted or Faraday.

I think the reaction against Romanticism set in with the first trenches being dug in September, 1914.

I think Modernism is the closest thing you’re likely to find to an umbrella term covering what you’re talking about. Wiki describes both Romanticism and Modernism as being reactions against the Enlightenment but I think that’s a bit misleading. The Age of Enlightenment itself is said to have ended sometime around 1800; Romanticism could be said to have started around that time, and Modernism got going in the late 1800’s. I think of Modernism as being a reaction against both the Enlightenment and Romanticism (the beef with Romanticism being that it was bourgeois and sentimental). But of course this is at best an oversimplification.

What is ‘Evolutionism’? Are you talking about biology, or a Creationist strawman like ‘Darwinism’?

In either case, I would have to disagree with the original statement. Romantics were as likely to support it as object. In Germany, the combination of Darwinian Evolution and Romanticism produced an ugly result in particular.

If you want to throw a broader net, include Naturalism. But I’m not sure why there needs to be a direct reaction as a broader movement. Hegel after all did away with that around the time Romanticism was on the decline.

perhaps “Fordism” or some other such reductionist technocratic ideology which never really got off the ground? Huxley’s “Brave New World” does not today read like a parody of any particularly familiar modern doctrine, but perhaps the anti-Ford jokes made more sense back then. “History is bunk” is a quote from Ford, and you gotta admit that this goes directly against a lot of Romantic thinking.

On the surface that seems like a facile comment, but there’s a hell of a lot of truth in it:

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Artistically, at least, there you go.