Real estate: How much shorter is a mortgage when you pay extra?

I thought I’d asked this before, but I couldn’t find it by searching ‘extra payment’.

There was a guy on the CBS Morning Show this morning who was giving suggestions about what people could use their tax refunds (HA!) for. He said that if people made an extra payment to principal every year, a standard 30-year loan would be shortened to 17 years. :dubious:

A FOAF, who apparently has a real estate license (I’ve never met her) says that in the long run making extra payments make no difference. :dubious:

Since interest is money charged on an outstanding balance, reducing the outstanding balance must reduce the amount of interest. Thus a loan will be repaid more quickly.

How much shorter would a mortgage be if the buyer makes one extra payment to principal (i.e., the total amount of a payment; not just the amount that would normally go to principal) every year? What about two extra payments per year? What about 1/12 (or 1/6 in the latter case) of the payment paid every month vs. a lump sum at the beginning of the year?

Here is a calculator that will do it for you.

It seems that a single extra payment every year paya off the 30 year loan in 24 years, while two extra payments cuts it to 20 years.

The savings on interest over the life of the loan are huge.

Well all I know is I pay my mortgage bi-weekly (every two weeks) instead of once a month. That alone took 2 years off of my “25 year” mortgage.

Extra payment calculator Knock yerself out.

I ran the OP case. It looks like 1 extra payment per year pays a 30 year mortgage @ 7% off in 23 years. For a net savings of 5 years worth of payments.

Yet, those savings are identical to the interest you earn taking those extra payments and investing them in a security that earns the same rate as your mortgage.

That’s not to say paying down your mortgage is a BAD investment, but that it is nothing more than a regular old investment. The way the numbers get thrown around, extra mortgage payments start to look like some kind of magic investment that is trivial to invest in and pays back mountains of money.

Check out the calculators under the heading “Making Additional Payments to Principal” here: Mortgage Calculators - The Mortgage Professors

And a few good articles: Is a Biweekly Mortgage Better Than a Payment Increase? - The Mortgage Professor

http://origin.bankrate.com/brm/green/mtg/basics7-2a.asp?caret=36

You FOAF doesn’t know what they are talking about.

Try this online calculator for yourself —> Mortgage Calculator: Calculate Your Monthly Mortgage Payment

Using the above link, I created this scenario:

$250,000 financed for 30 years @ 7.00 percent, beginning in April 2007.

* **Monthly Payment: $ 1663.26**
* Total Interest:$ 348772.25(No pre-payment)
* Total Interest:$ 348772.25 (As given)
* **SAVINGS: $ 0.00 Total Interest Saved, 0.00 Years shorter loan**
* 2007 Interest $ 13081.38
* 2008 Interest $ 17283.07
* Ending Balance Dec 2008: $ 245436.07
* Average Interest Each Month: $ 968.81 

I then modified it to include a monthly $500 principal payment:

* **Monthly Payment: $ 1663.26**
* Total Interest:$ 348772.25(No pre-payment)
* Total Interest:$ 167033.13 (As given)
* **SAVINGS: $ 181739.12 Total Interest Saved, 13.92 Years shorter loan**
* 2007 Interest $ 12974.93
* 2008 Interest $ 16753.78
* Ending Balance Dec 2008: $ 234300.33
* Average Interest Each Month: $ 463.98 

I then changed it to reflect an annual $6,000 principal payment:

* **Monthly Payment: $ 1663.26**
* Total Interest:$ 348772.25(No pre-payment)
* Total Interest:$ 169646.70 (As given)
* **SAVINGS: $ 179125.55 Total Interest Saved, 13.75 Years shorter loan**
* 2007 Interest $ 13081.38
* 2008 Interest $ 16849.33
* Ending Balance Dec 2008: $ 233002.33
* Average Interest Each Month: $ 471.24
* SAVINGS: Normal Avg Int/Month : $ 968.81, You Save $ 497.57 

I then decided to go back and have a monthly $500 principal payment, and change my regular payment to biweekly:

* **Monthly Payment: $ 1663.26**
* Total Interest:$ 348772.25(No pre-payment)
* Total Interest:$ 147895.30 (As given)
* **SAVINGS: $ 200876.94 Total Interest Saved, 15.50 Years shorter loan**
* 2007 Interest $ 12974.93
* 2008 Interest $ 16633.54
* Ending Balance Dec 2008: $ 230853.58
* Average Interest Each Month: $ 410.82
* SAVINGS: Normal Avg Int/Month : $ 968.81, You Save $ 557.99 

You can find downloadable spreadsheets online to run all the scenarios you want. Just be careful as most I found were poorly written and full of errors.

Ooops one last scenario - just change to a biweekly payment schedule with no added principal payment:

* **Monthly Payment: $ 1663.26**
* Total Interest:$ 348772.25(No pre-payment)
* Total Interest:$ 264911.76 (As given)
* **SAVINGS: $ 83860.49 Total Interest Saved, 6.17 Years shorter loan**
* 2007 Interest $ 13081.38
* 2008 Interest $ 17162.83
* Ending Balance Dec 2008: $ 241989.32
* Average Interest Each Month: $ 735.87
* SAVINGS: Normal Avg Int/Month : $ 968.81, You Save $ 232.95

Thanks!

:smack: ‘[FOAF] is a real estate agent, so I tend to believe her more.’

Not that it’ll necessarily be convincing, but here’s a proof that extra payments reduce the lifetime of a loan. This sort of material is covered in any introductory book on financial mathematics; if you’re looking for one, I recommend Broverman’s Mathematics of Investment and Credit.

If you have a loan of amount L with n payments and an effective monthly interest rate j, the payment R is given by Lj/(1 - v[sup]n[/sup]), where v = 1/(1 + j). The quantity (1 - v[sup]n[/sup])/j shows up often enough that there’s a special symbol for it. I’m not going to try to reproduce it here, so I’ll write it as a(n, j). a(n, j) is the value at time 0 of payments of $1 at times 1, 2, …, n with an interest rate of j between payments. There’s a similar symbol, s(n, j), which is the value of that same series of payments at time n. s(n, j) = ((1 + j)[sup]n[/sup] - 1)/j.

For an ordinary 30-year mortgage with monthly interest rate j and payments due at the end of each month, the loan amount is given by Ra(360, j). If you’re making an extra payment at the end of every year, the loan amount is given by Ra(m, j) + Ra(m, j)/s(12, j). The factor of 1/s(12, j) in the second term lets me pretend that there’s an extra payment every month, which means that I’m working with the same interest rate everywhere. It’s not strictly necessary, but it makes things easier.

Since the loan amount is equal to both Ra(360, j) and Ra(m, j) + Ra(m, j)/s(12, j), it follows that Ra(360, j) = Ra(m, j) + Ra(m, j)/s(12, j). The payment amount cancels out, and we’re left with a(360, j) = a(m, j) + a(m, j)/s(12, j). Therefore, a(m, j) = a(360, j)s(12, j)/(1 + s(12, j)). But a(m, j) = (1 - v[sup]m[/sup])/j, so you can substitute that in and solve for m. I get that m = -ln(1 - ja(360, j)*s(12, j)/(1 + s(12, j)))/ln(1 + j). You could expand out the other interest symbols, but it gets to be a messy expression pretty quickly, and there are even simple calculators that know how to evaluate them, so it’s not really worth it.

So, how does this work out numerically? The effective monthly rate j is calculated by taking your quoted rate and dividing by 12. If you have a quoted interest rate of 5%, making an extra payment at the end of every year brings the term of the loan down to 304.2 months, which is just over 25 years. If you have a quoted interest rate of 6%, the extra payment brings the term down to 24.66 years. As your interest rate increases, the extra payment method will make the term of your loan decrease, and by a significant amount.

Why would a real estate license make someone understand mortgage payments. They may understand them slightly better being that it’s part of their job and most likely attend a lot of closings. But the person to talk to would be a mortgage banker…or a loan officer…or a regular banker…or someone with some knowledge of accounting.

That’s like asking a produce salesperson about how certain fruit are grown. Sure, they may know a little picking up some info here and there, but if you want to talk to an expert…find a farmer.
Come to think of it, the only way I can see it not making a difference is if it was the type of loan where the payments (and the principal/interest portion) of each payment is already set in stone and the beginning of the loan. Basically, they take the principal add the interest for the life of the loan and divide the new total by the amount of months in the loan, and use that for the payment. Then it wouldn’t make a difference becuase the interest is already part of the loan so to speak. But not being a banker, I don’t even know if they do this, or still do this, of ever did this, I just remember hearing about it somewhere.

I sent her some cut’n’pasted stuff from Kiplinger and a couple of other places indicating that the term of the loan would be reduced from 30 years to 22-24 years (different interest rates when the articles were written). She didn’t write back.

My own question in the OP (how much shorter would the loan be if an extra payment was made) has been answered. As for my friend and her friend, I’ve passed on data from this thread and other places. They can take it or leave it.

The savings over the life of the loan are very large, true, and as others have said it is possible to shorten the mortgage that way.

However, consider also that if you can get a savings rate higher than than your mortgage rate, then you’re better off putting that money in savings. If you miss 20 years of 7% savings rates in order to pay off a 5% note 10 years early, yes, you’ve avoided paying a lot of interest to the bank, but you’ve also missed out on even more interest gains that could have been applied to the final payoff with a tidy sum to spare.

Joey,

They still do loans like that, but in the USA they won’t do them on real estate.
Cars, home equity loans and certain other notes are sometimes structured as you described.